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hi i just got my canadian basic with hounors license and i am trying to use my kenwood ts-450 sat with a wire antenna on a extendable pole extended to about 17 feet and i am trying to comunicate on the 40m band and the station can tell that i am trying to talk to him but he can't copy me and i was wondering what can i do so i can be heard with useing the wire as an antenna only?
 

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hi i just got my canadian basic with hounors license and i am trying to use my kenwood ts-450 sat with a wire antenna on a extendable pole extended to about 17 feet and i am trying to comunicate on the 40m band and the station can tell that i am trying to talk to him but he can't copy me and i was wondering what can i do so i can be heard with useing the wire as an antenna only?

Well how high is the antenna and how much power are you putting out?
 

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A wire antenna on a pole says nothing but I have this sneaking suspicion you know nothing about radio/antenna theory. Study first and then if you still can't figure it out at least you'll be able to compose a reasonable question.

If the Basic (entry level) exam is anything like our Technician Class all your study taught you is operating and nothing the least bit technical. Too bad Industry Canada like the FCC put the cart before the horse, that is operation ahead of technical skill.
 

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I'd highly suggest the OP return to his Basic Study Guide and review the section on antennas. A 40m wire dipole is easy enough to build.

I guess our Basic would be akin to the Technician license but the "Plus" designation means you got over 80% on your exam and now have full HF privileges.
 

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A wire antenna on a pole says nothing but I have this sneaking suspicion you know nothing about radio/antenna theory. Study first and then if you still can't figure it out at least you'll be able to compose a reasonable question.

If the Basic (entry level) exam is anything like our Technician Class all your study taught you is operating and nothing the least bit technical. Too bad Industry Canada like the FCC put the cart before the horse, that is operation ahead of technical skill.

like i said i am new to this hobby and still trying to learn..... some people learn better by hands on approach the reading it in the book
 

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i am putting out about 100 watts and the i extended the antenna to about 17 feet in the air but i was talking to a friend of mine and told him what going on
i am using kenwood 450s when i transmit using the hand mic i am getting shocked when my hand tuched the metel part of it on the back of the mic he told me that was my problem that i don't have a good ground and i should ground my station better and that would improve my signal and i won't get shocked any more is that true? or is it the mic is defective.
 

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"like i said i am new to this hobby and still trying to learn....."
That's a good sign, but first you have to learn the language before you can converse.

"some people learn better by hands on approach the reading it in the book"
The brain guides the hands, not the other way round. In other words experimentation is fine but you have to know what you're doing or all is for naught. In still other words, study chemistry if you want to be a chemist, if you go mixing chemicals blindly I would NOT want to be your neighbor. (;->)

OK, you're putting your 100W into a dummy load, that's why you're not being heard. I'll bet your SWR is sky high due to a non resonant antenna and the KW is folding back the power to protect itself. The long and short of it is just because a transmitter is rated for 100W doesn't say it's putting OUT 100W.

As for the shocks, you have so much RF coming back at you the mic is giving you RF burns. Any more power and you'd be yelp[ing in pain and have sores giving you trouble for weeks. Grounding won't solve the problem, plenty of stations don't have grounds and don't zap the operators because with proper antennas all the power goes up the coax and is radiated.

Again, you really need to learn what it's all about, random antennas produce random results and yours are working against you. Now please crack the books, what you're asking is beyond the scope of a discussion board, what you need is schooling. Here, I'll get you started with a 40M dipole - 468/f when f is in MHz.
 

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A wire antenna on a pole says nothing but I have this sneaking suspicion you know nothing about radio/antenna theory. Study first and then if you still can't figure it out at least you'll be able to compose a reasonable question.

If the Basic (entry level) exam is anything like our Technician Class all your study taught you is operating and nothing the least bit technical. Too bad Industry Canada like the FCC put the cart before the horse, that is operation ahead of technical skill.

The course I took in Victoria before writing the exam certainly covered antenna theory quite decently. Also since there are questions on the exam about antenna lengths and co-ax types he should, if he passed, know enough to get a decent antenna up. Especially if he did well enough (80%) to get privileges on HF. It's hard to believe that anyone can get 80% on that exam and not know enough to get a useable antenna up.
 

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fixed the problem by grounding the station and everything is working with a random wire antenna the swr from what i am seeing is 1.3 when i am on the 20 m band and when talking to a person from co he gave me a rst report 5-7
 
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Your experience is about normal so far. Everybody makes mistakes, or don't completely understand things to start with.
All antennas have two connections, two 'poles' (+/-). Otherwise, no current flows. That second connection may not be very apparent/obvious, but it's always there. When your antenna system wasn't grounded it looked for someplace to go and that ended up through you (the shock). (Be thankful you weren't using a mic with a metal grill, does nasty things to mustaches/lips. :))
Oh well, living and learning is a lot better than not! Right?
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Ouch. Assuming you don't have a station ground at least add a quarter-wave counterpoise to get the r.f. off the operating desk. At Amateur Radio at least read the (short) QST articles by Ford (WB8IMY) and Van Field (W2OQI). HTH.
 

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This problem sounds best solved by getting a local experienced ham radio operator aka a (elmer) to come over and show you what your doing wrong and take some swr readings and such. Good luck
 

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Ouch. Assuming you don't have a station ground at least add a quarter-wave counterpoise to get the r.f. off the operating desk. At Amateur Radio at least read the (short) QST articles by Ford (WB8IMY) and Van Field (W2OQI). HTH.

The station is grounded I know It is not shown in the pic in the shack pic and like I said every thing seems to work for now the swr is not where I like but it can do for a little while untill I can get the funds so I can buy a better antenna
 

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An SWR of 1.3:1 isn't bad at all, it's actually quite good. Keep in mind that SWR isn't as important as most people think. Sure, lower is better than higher, but if it's something below about 1.5:1 you can figure it's probably as good as it'll get. Getting it any lower than that is a waste of time and effort, it will not 'improve' your signal.
SWR deals with impedance matching, and that's only 'half' of tuning any antenna (and not the important part in my opinion). The other 'half' of that tuning is resonance. I'm not familiar with the Canadian licensing requirements but assume it's in 'steps' of knowledge. The more you know/understand the higher the class of license, right? So, finding out what all is happening, and why, is a very nice idea! I'm not even a 'fair' teacher and a forum like this isn't the best place to acquire all that knowledge, the 'why' of things. Keep learning!
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The station is grounded I know It is not shown in the pic in the shack pic and like I said every thing seems to work for now the swr is not where I like but it can do for a little while untill I can get the funds so I can buy a better antenna

Why purchase an antenna when you can make a good dipole with little expense and an hour or so of your time? There are lots of websites that walk you through the calculations and process. The best way to learn is by doing. When I first went on hf, I spent the time and my original antenna is still up and running.
 

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lt. doc thanks for your advice :)

elk2370bruce i bet you can make a good dipole but i am not really good in math so i rather buy spend a few bucks and buy one from what a friend had told me that i could get a decent one for a good price so i rather go that route that way i know it is done right.

73
 

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(old geezer story) When I started (1976), I built my own transmitter from a single tube (6AQ5) with plans out of a magazine. That gave me 7 watts output, in theory, to a 40 meter 'dipole' up 12 feet. However, I had no idea what SWR was (I was 16 years old and a novice class), had no SWR meter, and didn't care! One side of the antenna was about 20 feet long, the other around 40 feet. Yet, I worked 27 states in the first year using a very basic receiver (Hallicrafters S-40B).

Stick with it and GO MAN! GO!
 
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