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BigDog-911
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I spoke to a friend who said Monday night there will be some activity on the system when they move from the old building to the new building.
Not sure what talk groups but should be interesting.
Not sure what talk groups but should be interesting.
What's the old building going to be used for besides the coroner?
BigDog-911
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Coroner is not in the same building as the old dispatch center...Dispatch is in 768, the coroner's office is in 810. The building will continue to be used for Police related business,ie: records, backup communications center, some CID offices and things like that.
They are supposed to begin the transition around 9:00 tonight. They are putting the severe weather operation in effect while this move is going on.
They anticipate about a four hour window for the old systems to be taken off line and the new systems put on line.
They anticipate about a four hour window for the old systems to be taken off line and the new systems put on line.
BigDog-911
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65501 is up and running and they are doing a checklist at this time. Monitoring at this time...Enjoy the show
Danmyster
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Well, MetroSafe has moved into it's new offices as of 7/14/09 around 0130 hrs. Things went pretty smooth when you look at how many ways they could have been messed up. We had a few issues that were moved on quickly and resolved. I have been spending so much time in the new Comm. Center before it went live it seems funny to have everyone there with me now. Hey Doug did you recognize what Unit number I was on the radio?
I have been meaning to post some new pictures but I've been so busy that I haven't had a free hand to carry a camera around. I can honestly say that I am SO glad that it is over and we can move on and get our Barret location refurbished!! I was really impressed by some of the folks we have working down there, they have put a lot of work into the move and was determined it was going to succeed. I call the new Comm. Center "THE FOX DEN".
Well, MetroSafe has moved into it's new offices as of 7/14/09 around 0130 hrs. Things went pretty smooth when you look at how many ways they could have been messed up. We had a few issues that were moved on quickly and resolved. I have been spending so much time in the new Comm. Center before it went live it seems funny to have everyone there with me now. Hey Doug did you recognize what Unit number I was on the radio?
I have been meaning to post some new pictures but I've been so busy that I haven't had a free hand to carry a camera around. I can honestly say that I am SO glad that it is over and we can move on and get our Barret location refurbished!! I was really impressed by some of the folks we have working down there, they have put a lot of work into the move and was determined it was going to succeed. I call the new Comm. Center "THE FOX DEN".
daveharpe
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I've noticed that since the move the Fire Tone Out cadence for City Fire has changed (not as much pause between tone pairs). Guessing it's due to a whole new system?
How will knockouts work once everyone is on Metrosafe? Will they still send knockout tones or is there some new digital knockout system that will be implemented?
I've noticed that since the move the Fire Tone Out cadence for City Fire has changed (not as much pause between tone pairs). Guessing it's due to a whole new system?
How will knockouts work once everyone is on Metrosafe? Will they still send knockout tones or is there some new digital knockout system that will be implemented?
I think you may have meant to say "County Fire", as the programming of the radio consoles has led to less time between tone sets. It also appears that at some point in the near future, a whole new tone assignment model will be implemented for county fire. We are using ancient technology that has fewer tone combinations. With unit dispatch happening and EMS tones (thus increasing the number of tone sets), it is very cumbersome on the radio technician's part to program consoles. So when the new dispatch frequency is implemented, the changing of alerting tones will also happen.
There will be a means of "connecting" the VHF dispatch frequency to a talk-group on the new 800 radio system.
So that's a long-winded way of saying county fire will still use tone and voice paging when the 800 radio system happens.
For city fire, as is Louisville Fire and Rescue, they are getting a different critter. It is called Fire Station Alerting system. I don't know much about how that works, but it sounds interesting. County departments could not take full advantage of that because the people we want to know about calls for service are not always at the fire stations, such as volunteers and off-duty career firefighters.
There will also be an 800 talkgroup that is connected to the LFR dispatch system.
I was at the new center this morning for a meeting and took a walk-around. It is a rather awesome place with all kinds of elbow room. I got to wondering if one corner of the room was still in the same time zone as the opposite.
There will be a means of "connecting" the VHF dispatch frequency to a talk-group on the new 800 radio system.
So that's a long-winded way of saying county fire will still use tone and voice paging when the 800 radio system happens.
For city fire, as is Louisville Fire and Rescue, they are getting a different critter. It is called Fire Station Alerting system. I don't know much about how that works, but it sounds interesting. County departments could not take full advantage of that because the people we want to know about calls for service are not always at the fire stations, such as volunteers and off-duty career firefighters.
There will also be an 800 talkgroup that is connected to the LFR dispatch system.
I was at the new center this morning for a meeting and took a walk-around. It is a rather awesome place with all kinds of elbow room. I got to wondering if one corner of the room was still in the same time zone as the opposite.
I imagine LFR will be using something IP-based, maybe MOSCAD or Zetron station alerting. My guess would be MOSCAD as it is Motorola and can work over the trunked system and/or IP for redundancy.
What type of new tone assignment will county fire be using? I didn't think there was anything new in the land of tone-paging. Plus wouldn't that be cost prohibitive and labor intensive to reprogram hundreds, if not thousands of pagers?
What type of new tone assignment will county fire be using? I didn't think there was anything new in the land of tone-paging. Plus wouldn't that be cost prohibitive and labor intensive to reprogram hundreds, if not thousands of pagers?
Right now county fire is using the Motorola system that has LZ, HZ kind of tones. The selection list is limited, and a number of departments share the same first tone. So a lot of adrenalin gets going unnecessarily.
We're going to the Motorola standard Quick Call II version. We're doomed to program pagers any way because of the new dispatch frequency. So may as well go the whole route.
A number of departments have the ability to program their own pagers, so there isn't a cost issue.
We're going to the Motorola standard Quick Call II version. We're doomed to program pagers any way because of the new dispatch frequency. So may as well go the whole route.
A number of departments have the ability to program their own pagers, so there isn't a cost issue.
I was told that some of the dispatchers were given October as a start date for the new system to go into effect. I am sure this is just a date for the non emergency groups to start.
By the way, new to the forums but have been scanning/radio programming in the area for about 12 years (and ofd8001 got me my first job as a dispatcher back in 1997, thanks Chief)
By the way, new to the forums but have been scanning/radio programming in the area for about 12 years (and ofd8001 got me my first job as a dispatcher back in 1997, thanks Chief)
I wonder if Oldham County will continue to dispatch Harrods Creek and Worthington for calls in Oldham. I guess it would just be a matter of reprogramming their consoles for the new frequency and tones. BTW, do they let you all know that they are about to knock out one of these departments or do you just find out when you hear the tones come across?
The current dispatch frequency will be used as a backup paging frequency. Presuming Harrods Creek and Worthington have Minitor 5 pagers, they can use the "silent scan" feature which means the pager will be listening to the new and backup paging frequency. So if Oldham county has the need to knock out one or the other, they simply do it as they now are and Harrods Creek or Worthington's pagers should activate.
So does this "station alerting" mean we won't hear LFR's dispatches anymore or will they still put them out over the air too?
The fleetmapping sheet I've seen shows a talkgroup that will be patched/connected/what ever term you want, with the Fire Station Alerting deal. Makes good sense - engine 1 could be out and about and a lot closer to a car fire than engine 2. If engine 1 hears it, the can snag the run and keep engine 2 in quarters.
Also, if by some outside chance that patch did not happen, I'm sure they will continue to state on their primary operations talkgroup who is going to what and where, like they now do.
Also, if by some outside chance that patch did not happen, I'm sure they will continue to state on their primary operations talkgroup who is going to what and where, like they now do.
Unless they start using MDT's and status buttons,
but so far I've not heard anything about them. Fire departments like tradition, and hearing calls on the radio is one of those traditions that they like.
I heard RCS doing some testing on the LFR channels yesterday.
With regard to status signalling via button, there is some pioneering use of MDTs for that.
I might be a dinosaur because of being in the business 36 years, but doing things the "old way" has its advantages. If status button signalling was the only way I knew of who is responding, that means I'd have to look at my MDT to see that. For every second I'm looking at my MDT, that's a second I'm not looking at vehicular traffic.
Also if I've arrived on the scene, I'm out of the vehicle and thus away from the MDT. So the only way I know of other unit arrivals is hearing that, because I can't see that on the MDT.
Having said all that, status signalling can be advantageous. Currently our system is that when Truck A calls "Responding" the dispatcher repeats "Truck A Responding". If we did have status signalling, Truck A could press its "Responding" button saying nothing verbally. The dispatcher sees that Truck A is responding, all he or she would do is say that on the radio. So instead of two radio transmissions, all there would be is one. That can be extremely helpful because now there could be several units trying to call responding all at the same time. No one is heard.
I might be a dinosaur because of being in the business 36 years, but doing things the "old way" has its advantages. If status button signalling was the only way I knew of who is responding, that means I'd have to look at my MDT to see that. For every second I'm looking at my MDT, that's a second I'm not looking at vehicular traffic.
Also if I've arrived on the scene, I'm out of the vehicle and thus away from the MDT. So the only way I know of other unit arrivals is hearing that, because I can't see that on the MDT.
Having said all that, status signalling can be advantageous. Currently our system is that when Truck A calls "Responding" the dispatcher repeats "Truck A Responding". If we did have status signalling, Truck A could press its "Responding" button saying nothing verbally. The dispatcher sees that Truck A is responding, all he or she would do is say that on the radio. So instead of two radio transmissions, all there would be is one. That can be extremely helpful because now there could be several units trying to call responding all at the same time. No one is heard.
I think that status button signalling is better suited for police, and maybe EMS, than for fire. Any large-scale incident should probably have most of the traffic done over the radio so that everyone knows who/what is responding, although what ofd8001 says (unit presses the responding button and dispatcher says it over the radio) is probably just as good. It also helps keep the airwaves open for more important traffic. We all know how hard it can be to get out on the radio when 15+ units are calling en route. Doing it via the MDT also makes sure that your times are accurate, as you're not relying on the dispatcher to put them into the CAD while juggling a dozen other tasks.
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