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Our radio vendor is converting our conventional repeater pair to narrowband LTR and I'd like a talkaround/simplex talk group/frequency for job site comms. They are telling me that we need to register a new frequency for this because "LTR talkaround" or simplex on one of the trunking freq's will interfere with the system. Having searched the web and forums, I think it can be done using an existing trunking frequency (output?) with different tones and not cause interfererence. Does anyone have technical information to support me? They have multiple LTR and NEXEDGE systems in the region--so could we use a freq from a distant site and further reduce the possibility for interference?

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Can't you just program another separate channel for a separate conventional simplex frequency?

I know what you're going to say next, but then you have to get a license for a separate freq. But there's a good chance those output freqs are not licensed for mobile to mobile simplex anyway.

Can't say as I blame them for not wanting users talking simplex on the system outputs.
 

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You're right about me not wanting to license another frequency and them probably not wanting anyone using simplex on the trunking freq's, but they are saying it will interfere with the system/users and I'm not sure that it would. I think they'll allow the simplex if I can show that it won't affect the trunking system (LTR or NEXEDGE), which was the main question I had.

I thought using an output frequency would be better so the repeater/controller wouldn't have to process the traffic and would at worst only affect nearby users on the trunking system. Can't the license be modified to allow mobile to mobile or is that a big deal?
 

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Well first of all, it may not interfere with the trunking system controllers but it might very well interfere with the reception by other users. Even if the chance is kinda remote, if it were my system I wouldn't want anyone else on the frequencies, not knowing where they would be or how much they would be using them.

It's a legal liability.
As it is, the vendor is licensed to operate an LTR system and they are in control of the operation of that system.
If they go allowing simplex users, they have no control over how the simplex users operate. Or HOW LONG they operate. Or Where. The license is in their name, they're responsible. If they get approval for 30 watt ERP 12.5 NFM and 15 miles from a specified location and your job site is just outside the 15 miles and you're pumping out 110 watts wideband, and it causes interference so another licensed station, they could be held responsible or YOU could be held responsible for operating unlicensed. Even if they did sucessfully modify the license, and I don't think they would be able to, you could stop using them tomorrow. Then what?
That's asking a really, really, really big favor of the vendor.

They probably told you "it will cause interference" just to be nice. It's nicer than saying some other commonly used explicit phrases.

Second of all, you should be more concerned with interference from the system and other users that may be assigned to those freqs and how usable those freqs are going to be for YOU.

Third of all, modifying a license takes time and it takes money (application fee) and there's no guarantee approval will be granted. My guess is that it probably wont be, at least not without coordination for the simplex operation in a given area. And coordination can cost hundreds. Why don't you just go get a license for the intinerant frequencies. You don't need coordination for those and you can literally get licensed for every single itinerant frequency there is (including vhf and uhf) for $160 for 10 years. That's less than a GMRS license for the same amount of time. They're perfect for construction or job sites because you don't have to pin yourself down to any particular location.

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Kenwood has a feature called LTR talk around which just uses the talk group home repeater out and makes the radio receiving think it is just a regular talk group transmission.
 

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Kenwood has a feature called LTR talk around which just uses the talk group home repeater out and makes the radio receiving think it is just a regular talk group transmission.

I just asked our vendor about this and he says it can still interfere with other users. Is that the case? It would typically be used within a 2 block area so lower power could be used.
 
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