Media about to be locked out of JPD

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INDY72

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When Jackson PD goes Provoice in the next few months, this will lock the media out of monitoring JPD. A lot of these agencies- WLBT, WJTV, WAPT, and the radio stations, and Clarion Ledger paper, all recently got the digiscanners for Hinds County's system, and to be ready for the upcomming Ridgeland system. Now they are about to find out that they will be useless for hearing JPD.... I seriusly doubt the City of Jackson's City Council will even think of approving the placing of Provoice Capapble radios in the media's hands, seeing how they act on a daily basis, and how they hate the media as is....

Not to mention that two of three of the new mayoral candidates have mentioned that they want to get a radio system that can communicate with Hinds County's and the surrounding areas.... This will make things interesting indeed since the City is spending 8 million to go Provoice EDACS, and thus renewing thier contract with M/A-Com.... Cutting off communication with the surrounding area.....

Soooo,.. If you know anyone in the media in Jackson, I suggest you let them know they are about to lose ability to monitor JPD.
 

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So the media isn't even going to try to get access to a ProVoice radio for scanning purposes? Sounds like that would be something you could blame the media on, not the city...
 

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The media doesn't even realize that the upgrade for JPD will lock them out yet. And you can't just buy a pv radio and use it like a scanner.. it MUST be programmed by the City's folks, and they must have athorization to do so.. And knowing Jackson like I know Jackson.. I really don't see that happening unless Heck is raised.
 

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I know about PV as it's in my area too. Why not contact them and suggest they start pursuing, posting about it here probably will not be noticed by your local media outlets...
 

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Used to be a newspaper reporter that had an EDACS radio that was modified to receive only in Jackson. Looked like the GE radios that JPD was carrying. Thought he was a cop one night when we got stuck on a fatal MVA. Once we found out who he was we got real careful about what we said. Said he got it from the shop that sold the radios to the city.
 

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Once they go Provoice, your HT will be useless. Youd have to get one of the new Jaguars with PV enabled and the TG's set up.... And my friend that most likely is NOT happening unless you get City athorization.
 

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That is absolutely not true, unless they are using encryption, either for the voice traffic or for the control channel.

There's a ProVoice system near me, and I know of a few people who have portables programmed up to receive the system and it works JUST FINE.

You do not need to get it programmed from the City, you only need to know the correct talkgroups and frequencies which wouldn't be too hard to figure out given time and patience.

It's an expensive way to listen, but if you're that determined, sometimes cost isn't an issue.

-M

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Once they go Provoice, your HT will be useless. Youd have to get one of the new Jaguars with PV enabled and the TG's set up.... And my friend that most likely is NOT happening unless you get City athorization.
 

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Unless he has a NEW Jaguar PV capable HT he is out of luck! The older HT's will NOT do PV. They are analog only! And unless he has a NEW HT and has it programmed for the PV system he will not be able to hear them... I am sorry but its just like taking an Motorola XTS3000 that is NOT set up for digital and thinging you can hear the digital TG's.... Not happening. If you don't believe this, check the features of EDACS Provoice- You can't use an analog only radio on digital....

Sure he can listen to any analog thats used.. and quite possibly have it set up for FD as they have NOT mentioned digital at all.. ONLY JPD....
 
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Lets clear up the confusion.

1. your non-provoice radio will continue to receive analog talk-groups unless they turn on the control channel encryption.

2. a PV portable will receive analog and PV unless they turn on control channel encryption.

3. nothing wil recieve encrypted conversations without the key.
 

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Exactly. But you will NOT hear any digital Provoice traffic on an analog only radio. And if they choose to use ESK,.. then your out of the loop unless your radio is programmed on the system and affiliates.

Wow me and N Jay agree on something.. scaryyyy! :wink:
 

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milf said:
Exactly. But you will NOT hear any digital Provoice traffic on an analog only radio. And if they choose to use ESK,.. then your out of the loop unless your radio is programmed on the system and affiliates.

Wow me and N Jay agree on something.. scaryyyy! :wink:

:twisted: :twisted: I know. It's not an analog only radio. The radio does ProVoice digital. At least, I've never heard packet loss in analog mode before, but that's what you hear on this thing sometimes...so it's most certainly NOT receiving in analog mode.

Point being, the media isn't being "locked out" of the system at all...I'm sure that's NOT the intent. The user simply wanted to get a digital system and Ericsson came up to offer the best deal. It doesn't mean more than that. If Motorola had been the best deal, chances are they'd be using IMBE, which a digital scanner CAN listen to. If the media, or anyone else for that matter, wants to listen THAT badly, they can shell out the money...and you can bet the media will do just that.

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Umm the point is on the radios- The ones that MississippiPI and the other guy are using are the old analog only EDACS HT's. They won't do digital. And on the media front,.. they will have to get Provoice radios and get them programmed and they have to do it legally which means having the City's permission to be on the TRS.

On the best deal option- Jackson is notorious for having to be different from everyone else around them. They specifically have many times done anything they could to not cooperate with Hinds County (the very county they are in....) And as stated, two of the three mayoral candidates want to change the system to a compatable one to communicate with the surrounding communities. JPD Chief has stated that they do NOT want to have that ability... which is stupid,.. but thats Jackson for you. Those of us that live in the area, and know how City of Jackson operates know what I say is very true. They would rather just spend 8 million to upgrade and again be different and be all alone than spend 12 million and change to an Motorola system and be able to talk to everyone else. But oh well LOL. In fact- When they were given te oppurtunity to change when Hinds County got thier Motorola system, they specifically siad NO, if Hinds does that, we will not... :roll:
 

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milf said:
Umm the point is on the radios- The ones that MississippiPI and the other guy are using are the old analog only EDACS HT's. They won't do digital. And on the media front,.. they will have to get Provoice radios and get them programmed and they have to do it legally which means having the City's permission to be on the TRS.

Why? That's my point. It's very naieve (sp?) if someone thinks that the only way to get a radio programmed is from the city. Locally, I can think of at least one radio shop that will program up a trunking radio for RX only on the public safety system.

Is it *legal* for them to go elsewhere to get it programmed? Well that's probably a gray area, but in reality it can be done...and most likely would get done if the media down there finds out how/where. IIRC, ProVoice/EDACS systems don't even need a System Key, so there's no issues with that...the only issue is the software, but all you have to do is find a radio shop (or person) with the software, and you're good to go.

-Mike
 

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LOL simply put: If your using an old GE radio, r an older M/A-Com EDACS radio to hear Jackson, when they go Provoice for JPD, you will NOT be able to hear any of the DIGITAL TG's.
 
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