Metro P25 Finds

[hotshotmike1001]

Good evening i was just up visiting las vegas and found two new channels in the P25 system

10103 Digital LVMPD Officer calls second vehicle telling him to close his door
10106 Digital LVMPD Talking about getting Supplys

 

[br0adband]

I take it because of this report you heard those calls in the clear aka not encrypted, correct? Of course they're not in the database so why not submit them as Unknown. Based on their particular numbering I'd hesitate to guess they'll most likely be Clark County use since they "fit" right into that particular set but I suppose at some point we'll get them identified (assuming the remain unencrypted, that is).

Nice find and thanks for reporting them here in the subforum.

 

[kma371]

I take it because of this report you heard those calls in the clear aka not encrypted, correct? Of course they're not in the database so why not submit them as Unknown.

We can't enter unknowns into the database. I suggest they be added to the wiki and for the locals to monitor further to pin down a better ID, then they can be entered.

 

[br0adband]

So why are their unidentified (meaning their actual purpose is actually unknown) but encrypted TGIDs in the RR database for the LVMPD entries?

Sorry, just had to ask, guess I should have used the term "Unidentified" previously, maybe?

 

[bigmattyl]

i'm also listening 10088 right now, and it's in the clear, termination of a pursuit

 

[kma371]

So why are their unidentified (meaning their actual purpose is actually unknown) but encrypted TGIDs in the RR database for the LVMPD entries?

Sorry, just had to ask, guess I should have used the term "Unidentified" previously, maybe?

Because if they are encrypted, there is no way to know what they are, so they are entered for reference. An exception to the rule.

 

[hotshotmike1001]

they are in the clear and it was from the police radio system not public works

here is some clips i will find the others later

 

[br0adband]

The "1J" reference (an internal designation for the doors inside the units) is the Clark County Detention Center as I suspected based on the numbering chosen for the TG itself, it fits right into that. By "Clark County" I didn't mean public works, I meant that some of the law enforcement side of Clark County is also on the 700 MHz system that the LVMPD dominates but isn't totally used for. The 10103 is almost absolutely CCDC related, just can't say for certain which particular which specific unit it might be, perhaps someone else is more knowledgeable about the layout of the facility.

The other one, the 10106, is more than likely the Regional Justice Center (even without a sample to work from so far) and could be related to the janitorial or maintenance staffing, perhaps. Yes I'm just speculating so I'll fire up OP25 and see if I get any hits on those TGIDs today, might get lucky.

 

[hotshotmike1001]

The "1J" reference (an internal designation for the doors inside the units) is the Clark County Detention Center as I suspected based on the numbering chosen for the TG itself, it fits right into that. By "Clark County" I didn't mean public works, I meant that some of the law enforcement side of Clark County is also on the 700 MHz system that the LVMPD dominates but isn't totally used for. The 10103 is almost absolutely CCDC related, just can't say for certain which particular which specific unit it might be, perhaps someone else is more knowledgeable about the layout of the facility.

The other one, the 10106, is more than likely the Regional Justice Center (even without a sample to work from so far) and could be related to the janitorial or maintenance staffing, perhaps. Yes I'm just speculating so I'll fire up OP25 and see if I get any hits on those TGIDs today, might get lucky.

When I get home from work I'll upload the audio samples for

For the other talk group

 

[hotshotmike1001]

here is the second sample audio clip

 

[br0adband]

i'm also listening 10088 right now, and it's in the clear, termination of a pursuit

10088 iirc is the new Spring Valley Command. The RR database page for the LVMPD could stand some work, there's a few entries - like 10088 - that show as encrypted and yet then show the actual usage which is the Spring Valley Command, and it's out of order on the main entry page. Yes I know it can be listed in numerical order but even so it's a bit of chaos happening.

 

[br0adband]

Not too good editing a wiki page it seems, gotta learn how to do that but it can't hurt to post what I've detected this morning in terms of unidentified/unknown TGIDs that are also not listed as encrypted at the moment but obviously some are and are noted as such:

10013
10016
10028
10041
10074
10091
10101
10103 (already noted, probably a CCDC TGID)
10105
10106
10111
10118 Encrypted
10300
10311 Encrypted
10328 Encrypted, very busy
10331
10335
25004
25005
65536

The last three there are probably internal testing TGIDs but the last one does have several hits on it so far in my somewhat limited monitoring. The 103xx groups are something new that I haven't seen recently and that 10328 one has a few dozen hits so far today.

 

[Thunderknight]

10088 iirc is the new Spring Valley Command. The RR database page for the LVMPD could stand some work, there's a few entries - like 10088 - that show as encrypted and yet then show the actual usage which is the Spring Valley Command, and it's out of order on the main entry page. Yes I know it can be listed in numerical order but even so it's a bit of chaos happening.

10088 doesn't show as encrypted in the RRDB. It shows as T, which means TDMA phase 2.
E means encrypted.

 

[kma371]

10088 doesn't show as encrypted in the RRDB. It shows as T, which means TDMA phase 2.
E means encrypted.

It's actually listed twice. One is encrypted, the other is not.

I'll fix it.

 

[br0adband]

10088 doesn't show as encrypted in the RRDB. It shows as T, which means TDMA phase 2.
E means encrypted.

The entire LVMPD system is 700 MHz P25 Phase II so, the T would be kinda superfluous I suppose but I understand why it's done that way in the mode column. I see the 10088 dupe entry was handled, thanks.

 

[Thunderknight]

It's actually listed twice. One is encrypted, the other is not.

Ahh, I didn't notice the other entry.

 

[br0adband]

Haven't had a chance to run Unitrunker for a day or two, just fired it up literally 5 minutes ago and wow, talk about changes.

Here's the current list of the unidentified talkgroups that I've snagged so far including the ones above so people won't have to continually keep checking them back and forth - a whole bunch of 103xx series showed up just now which was pretty amazing to me:

990
10013
10016
10020
10028
10041
10074
10091
10101
10102
10103 (already noted, probably a CCDC TGID)
10105
10106
10107
10111
10112
10116
10117
10118 Encrypted
10122
10123
10126
10300
10302
10303
10304
10305
10306
10307
10308
10309 Encrypted
10310 Encrypted
10311 Encrypted
10312
10313 Encrypted
10314 Encrypted
10315
10316
10320
10322
10323
10324
10325
10326
10328 Encrypted, very busy
10329
10331
10335
10338
10342
10343
10344
25003
25004
25005
65536

 

[br0adband]

Few more adds but I'll just provide them instead of the entire list from the last post:

992
993
10040
10061
10071
10073
10110
10200
10301
10306 (previously listed but now confirmed as Encrypted)
10317
10324 (previously listed but now confirmed as Encrypted)

 

[TAbirdman]

I'm planning on a trip to vegas ( mainly hitting the strip areas) and looking at the RR data; there are like 10 towers for Clark county, Which one do I use? I'd hate to program the wrong tower and not get anything.

Thanks

 

[markee71]

Sunrise or Simulcast will be your best bet if you are looking to listen to Metro PD