Michigan Public Safety Communications systems (MPSCS)

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Good Day Folks, My Name is Tom McKelvey and I have just recently been forced to dip my toes into the wide world of Simulcast. I have become proficient at scanner programming as long at the scanner is near a tower. In Michigan, Lenawee county South of Adrian, we have proven dead zones. No signal at all south of Fairfield on M-52 . For areas such as Blissfield, I was able to use Monroe county towers and Lenawee Talk Groups to set up scanners and it works quite well. However, I have not been able to utilize Ohio Towers in Fulton or Lucas County to do the same. What am I missing? I would think since they are simulcast as we are that the same concept would work that I haven been using with surrounding Michigan counties...Any assistance would be awesome. Thanks
 

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MARCS has many simulcast sites. They aren't labeled as such, but if you look at the site information link, they have multiple transmitter locations listed for a single site. MPSCS also uses simulcast for many of its sites, so if you're not using a SDS scanner you're probably going to have issues receiving one or both systems.
 

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MARCS has many simulcast sites. They aren't labeled as such, but if you look at the site information link, they have multiple transmitter locations listed for a single site. MPSCS also uses simulcast for many of its sites, so if you're not using a SDS scanner you're probably going to have issues receiving one or both systems.
I was using a 996P2 and was picking up Fulton County site very well, but when I removed their talked groups and add Lenawee County is when I ran into trouble. Ultimately I helped one lady with 20 foot tower and a Yagi to reach downtown Adrian using an SDS. Wow they are sweet. I will be purchasing one soon.
 

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So if MARCS is not Simulcast is it possible for the Michigan fire guys to still talk to them across state lines? I know they do so this is why I felt they were Simulcast with Lenawee.
Yes, that's called interoperability, talkgroups are usually labeled interop.

Interop is one reason P25 is so popular with Public Safety. I understand DHS hands out grants for systems that are interop with P25.

This has nothing to do with simulcast. Read up on simulcast here Simulcast - The RadioReference Wiki

What do you have for gear (radio, antenna, coax), what talk groups do you know about , what can't you hear? The guys in Indiana might talk on TG 1176 or your guys may talk on a similar TG in Indiana. If its a Indiana TG then their MARCS site & TGs also has to be programmed into your radio.

These might interest you.
Lenawee County (46) Common/Interop Talkgroups


DEC HEX Mode Alpha TagDescriptionTag
1176498D46COMCountywide Common (Mutual Aid all agencies) Interop
112982c22D46JOPS7Police/Fire Tactical Operations 7 Multi-Tac
112992c23D46JOPS8Police/Fire Tactical Operations 8 Multi-Tac
113002c24D46JSPEV9Police/Fire Special Events 9 Multi-Tac
113012c25D46JTRNGPolice/Fire Training Multi-Tac

Lenawee County (46) Fire/EMS Talkgroups


DEC HEX Mode Alpha TagDescriptionTag
112862c16D46F911Central 9-1-1 Fire: Dispatch Fire Dispatch
112852c15D46EOPS3EMS Operations 3 EMS-Tac
112882c18D46FOPS4Fire Operations 4 EMS-Tac
112892c19D46FOPS5Fire Operations 5 Fire-Tac
112902c1aD46FOPS6Fire Operations 6 Fire-Tac
112922c1cD46FTRNGFire Training Fire-Talk
112912c1bD46FSPEVFire Special Events Fire-Tac
19647acD46RTFD1Ridgeway Twp. Fire: Fireground 1 Fire-Tac
19657adD46RTFD2Ridgeway Twp. Fire: Fireground 2 Fire-Tac
112832c13D46E911Central 9-1-1 EMS: Dispatch EMS Dispatch
223695761D46E911RCentral 9-1-1 EMS: En Route EMS Dispatch
2701bD46PG71DUTYAdrian City On-Duty Paging Fire Dispatch
2801cD46PG71OFFAdrian City Off-Duty Paging Fire Dispatch
2901dD46PG72Adrian Twp. Fire Paging Fire Dispatch
3001eD46PG73Blissfield Twp. Fire Paging Fire Dispatch
3101fD46PG74Ridgeway Twp. Fire Paging Fire Dispatch
32020D46PG75Clayton Fire Paging Fire Dispatch
33021D46PG76Clinton Fire Paging Fire Dispatch
34022D46PG77Fairfield Twp. Fire Paging Fire Dispatch
35023D46PG78Palmyra Twp. Fire Paging Fire Dispatch
36024D46PG79Deerfield Twp. Fire Paging Fire Dispatch
37025D46PG81Rasin Twp. Fire Paging Fire Dispatch
38026D46PG82EMSHudson EMS Paging Fire Dispatch
39027D46PG82FIREHudson Fire Paging Fire Dispatch
40028D46PG84EMSMorenci EMS Paging Fire Dispatch
41029D46PG84FIREMorenci Fire Paging Fire Dispatch
4202aD46PG85Cambridge Twp. Fire Paging Fire Dispatch
4302bD46PG85MISCambridge Twp. Fire MIS Paging Fire Dispatch
4402cD46PG86Tecumseh Fire Paging Fire Dispatch
4502dD46PG87Riga Twp. Fire Paging Fire Dispatch
4602eD46PG88DUTYMadison Twp. Fire On-Duty Paging Fire Dispatch
4702fD46PG88OFFMadison Twp. Fire Off-Duty Paging Fire Dispatch
48030D46PG89DUTYAddison Fire On-Duty Paging Fire Dispatch
49031D46PG89OFFAddison Fire Off-Duty Paging Fire Dispatch
50032D46PG90Sand Lake Fire Paging Fire Dispatch
52034D46F71Adrian City Fire: Proprietary Fire-Talk
53035D46F72Adrian Twp. Fire: Proprietary Fire-Talk
54036D46F73Blissfield Twp. Fire: Proprietary Fire-Talk
55037D46F85Cambridge Twp. Fire: Proprietary Fire-Talk
56038D46F76Clinton Fire: Proprietary Fire-Talk
57039D46E82Hudson EMS: Proprietary EMS-Talk
5803aD46F82Hudson Fire: Proprietary Fire-Talk
5903bD46F88Madison Twp. Fire: Proprietary Fire-Talk
6003cD46F84Morenci Fire Dept: Proprietary Fire-Talk
6203eD46FPAGE21Fire Paging (Future Use) Fire Dispatch
6303fD46F86Tecumseh Fire: Proprietary Fire-Talk
64040D46FPAGE23Fire Paging (Future Use) Fire Dispatch
65041D46FPAGE24Fire Paging (Future Use) Fire Dispatch
66042D46FPAGE25Fire Paging (Future Use) Fire Dispatch
112712c07D46F89Addison Fire: Proprietary Fire-Talk
112772c0dD46F75Clayton Fire: Proprietary Fire-Talk
112812c11D46F79Deerfield Twp. Fire: Proprietary Fire-Talk
112872c17D46F77Fairfield Twp. Fire: Proprietary Fire-Talk
113052c29D46F88Madison Twp. Fire: Proprietary Fire-Talk
113132c31D46F78Palmyra Twp. Fire: Proprietary Fire-Talk
113162c34D46F87Riga Twp. Fire: Proprietary Fire-Talk
113182c36D46F90Sand Lake Fire: Proprietary Fire-Talk
117872e0bD46PGWXSevere Weather Alerting Emergency Ops
 

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Also there is this:

2585 a19 DMSP/OSPLenawee, Monroe, Washtenaw, and Toledo/Lucas County, Ohio Interop

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I've heard some of the Lenawee fire guys "switch over" when they go to runs in Ohio. I've heard them on the NW Ohio system, but not on their normal talkgroups for the MPSCS (nor would I expect to). Usually the local fire talkgroups on the NW Ohio System. Morenci Fire actually has a talkgroup listed on the NW Ohio System for Fulton County.

If you were hearing Fulton County and now suddenly don't, my guess is the problem is in your programming somewhere. Try making a small scan list with just Fulton County and go from there. I can't hear the Fulton site from here, but I can usually hear the Lucas Simulcast.
 

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Great thanks for the info. Are there any other settings I should consider for the best reception when programming this site?
 
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