Michigan Public Safety Communications systems (MPSCS)

[nf3dude]

Good Day Folks, My Name is Tom McKelvey and I have just recently been forced to dip my toes into the wide world of Simulcast. I have become proficient at scanner programming as long at the scanner is near a tower. In Michigan, Lenawee county South of Adrian, we have proven dead zones. No signal at all south of Fairfield on M-52 . For areas such as Blissfield, I was able to use Monroe county towers and Lenawee Talk Groups to set up scanners and it works quite well. However, I have not been able to utilize Ohio Towers in Fulton or Lucas County to do the same. What am I missing? I would think since they are simulcast as we are that the same concept would work that I haven been using with surrounding Michigan counties...Any assistance would be awesome. Thanks

 

[Hit_Factor]

You are going to have to give some details on this. Which sites in Michigan - please use location (sites/towers) names listed here - https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?sid=100

Ohio MARCS is not listed as simulcast https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?sid=6643

 

[nf3dude]

Im kind of new at this so please bare with me.

Michigan's Public Safety Communications System (MPSCS) Site: Lenawee County Simulcast

Michigan's Public Safety Communications System (MPSCS) Site: Lenawee County Simulcast Details

www.radioreference.com

These are the freqs, for Michigan

So if MARCS is not Simulcast is it possible for the Michigan fire guys to still talk to them across state lines? I know they do so this is why I felt they were Simulcast with Lenawee.

 

[jonwienke]

MARCS has many simulcast sites. They aren't labeled as such, but if you look at the site information link, they have multiple transmitter locations listed for a single site. MPSCS also uses simulcast for many of its sites, so if you're not using a SDS scanner you're probably going to have issues receiving one or both systems.

 

[nf3dude]

MARCS has many simulcast sites. They aren't labeled as such, but if you look at the site information link, they have multiple transmitter locations listed for a single site. MPSCS also uses simulcast for many of its sites, so if you're not using a SDS scanner you're probably going to have issues receiving one or both systems.

I was using a 996P2 and was picking up Fulton County site very well, but when I removed their talked groups and add Lenawee County is when I ran into trouble. Ultimately I helped one lady with 20 foot tower and a Yagi to reach downtown Adrian using an SDS. Wow they are sweet. I will be purchasing one soon.

 

[Hit_Factor]

So if MARCS is not Simulcast is it possible for the Michigan fire guys to still talk to them across state lines? I know they do so this is why I felt they were Simulcast with Lenawee.

Yes, that's called interoperability, talkgroups are usually labeled interop.

Interop is one reason P25 is so popular with Public Safety. I understand DHS hands out grants for systems that are interop with P25.

This has nothing to do with simulcast. Read up on simulcast here Simulcast - The RadioReference Wiki

What do you have for gear (radio, antenna, coax), what talk groups do you know about , what can't you hear? The guys in Indiana might talk on TG 1176 or your guys may talk on a similar TG in Indiana. If its a Indiana TG then their MARCS site & TGs also has to be programmed into your radio.

These might interest you.
Lenawee County (46) Common/Interop Talkgroups

DEC	HEX	Mode	Alpha Tag	Description	Tag
1176	498	D	46COM	Countywide Common (Mutual Aid all agencies)	Interop
11298	2c22	D	46JOPS7	Police/Fire Tactical Operations 7	Multi-Tac
11299	2c23	D	46JOPS8	Police/Fire Tactical Operations 8	Multi-Tac
11300	2c24	D	46JSPEV9	Police/Fire Special Events 9	Multi-Tac
11301	2c25	D	46JTRNG	Police/Fire Training	Multi-Tac

Lenawee County (46) Fire/EMS Talkgroups

DEC	HEX	Mode	Alpha Tag	Description	Tag
11286	2c16	D	46F911	Central 9-1-1 Fire: Dispatch	Fire Dispatch
11285	2c15	D	46EOPS3	EMS Operations 3	EMS-Tac
11288	2c18	D	46FOPS4	Fire Operations 4	EMS-Tac
11289	2c19	D	46FOPS5	Fire Operations 5	Fire-Tac
11290	2c1a	D	46FOPS6	Fire Operations 6	Fire-Tac
11292	2c1c	D	46FTRNG	Fire Training	Fire-Talk
11291	2c1b	D	46FSPEV	Fire Special Events	Fire-Tac
1964	7ac	D	46RTFD1	Ridgeway Twp. Fire: Fireground 1	Fire-Tac
1965	7ad	D	46RTFD2	Ridgeway Twp. Fire: Fireground 2	Fire-Tac
11283	2c13	D	46E911	Central 9-1-1 EMS: Dispatch	EMS Dispatch
22369	5761	D	46E911R	Central 9-1-1 EMS: En Route	EMS Dispatch
27	01b	D	46PG71DUTY	Adrian City On-Duty Paging	Fire Dispatch
28	01c	D	46PG71OFF	Adrian City Off-Duty Paging	Fire Dispatch
29	01d	D	46PG72	Adrian Twp. Fire Paging	Fire Dispatch
30	01e	D	46PG73	Blissfield Twp. Fire Paging	Fire Dispatch
31	01f	D	46PG74	Ridgeway Twp. Fire Paging	Fire Dispatch
32	020	D	46PG75	Clayton Fire Paging	Fire Dispatch
33	021	D	46PG76	Clinton Fire Paging	Fire Dispatch
34	022	D	46PG77	Fairfield Twp. Fire Paging	Fire Dispatch
35	023	D	46PG78	Palmyra Twp. Fire Paging	Fire Dispatch
36	024	D	46PG79	Deerfield Twp. Fire Paging	Fire Dispatch
37	025	D	46PG81	Rasin Twp. Fire Paging	Fire Dispatch
38	026	D	46PG82EMS	Hudson EMS Paging	Fire Dispatch
39	027	D	46PG82FIRE	Hudson Fire Paging	Fire Dispatch
40	028	D	46PG84EMS	Morenci EMS Paging	Fire Dispatch
41	029	D	46PG84FIRE	Morenci Fire Paging	Fire Dispatch
42	02a	D	46PG85	Cambridge Twp. Fire Paging	Fire Dispatch
43	02b	D	46PG85MIS	Cambridge Twp. Fire MIS Paging	Fire Dispatch
44	02c	D	46PG86	Tecumseh Fire Paging	Fire Dispatch
45	02d	D	46PG87	Riga Twp. Fire Paging	Fire Dispatch
46	02e	D	46PG88DUTY	Madison Twp. Fire On-Duty Paging	Fire Dispatch
47	02f	D	46PG88OFF	Madison Twp. Fire Off-Duty Paging	Fire Dispatch
48	030	D	46PG89DUTY	Addison Fire On-Duty Paging	Fire Dispatch
49	031	D	46PG89OFF	Addison Fire Off-Duty Paging	Fire Dispatch
50	032	D	46PG90	Sand Lake Fire Paging	Fire Dispatch
52	034	D	46F71	Adrian City Fire: Proprietary	Fire-Talk
53	035	D	46F72	Adrian Twp. Fire: Proprietary	Fire-Talk
54	036	D	46F73	Blissfield Twp. Fire: Proprietary	Fire-Talk
55	037	D	46F85	Cambridge Twp. Fire: Proprietary	Fire-Talk
56	038	D	46F76	Clinton Fire: Proprietary	Fire-Talk
57	039	D	46E82	Hudson EMS: Proprietary	EMS-Talk
58	03a	D	46F82	Hudson Fire: Proprietary	Fire-Talk
59	03b	D	46F88	Madison Twp. Fire: Proprietary	Fire-Talk
60	03c	D	46F84	Morenci Fire Dept: Proprietary	Fire-Talk
62	03e	D	46FPAGE21	Fire Paging (Future Use)	Fire Dispatch
63	03f	D	46F86	Tecumseh Fire: Proprietary	Fire-Talk
64	040	D	46FPAGE23	Fire Paging (Future Use)	Fire Dispatch
65	041	D	46FPAGE24	Fire Paging (Future Use)	Fire Dispatch
66	042	D	46FPAGE25	Fire Paging (Future Use)	Fire Dispatch
11271	2c07	D	46F89	Addison Fire: Proprietary	Fire-Talk
11277	2c0d	D	46F75	Clayton Fire: Proprietary	Fire-Talk
11281	2c11	D	46F79	Deerfield Twp. Fire: Proprietary	Fire-Talk
11287	2c17	D	46F77	Fairfield Twp. Fire: Proprietary	Fire-Talk
11305	2c29	D	46F88	Madison Twp. Fire: Proprietary	Fire-Talk
11313	2c31	D	46F78	Palmyra Twp. Fire: Proprietary	Fire-Talk
11316	2c34	D	46F87	Riga Twp. Fire: Proprietary	Fire-Talk
11318	2c36	D	46F90	Sand Lake Fire: Proprietary	Fire-Talk
11787	2e0b	D	46PGWX	Severe Weather Alerting	Emergency Ops

 

[a29zuk]

Also there is this:

2585

a19

D

MSP/OSP

Lenawee, Monroe, Washtenaw, and Toledo/Lucas County, Ohio

Interop

Jim

 

[KD8FSJ]

I've heard some of the Lenawee fire guys "switch over" when they go to runs in Ohio. I've heard them on the NW Ohio system, but not on their normal talkgroups for the MPSCS (nor would I expect to). Usually the local fire talkgroups on the NW Ohio System. Morenci Fire actually has a talkgroup listed on the NW Ohio System for Fulton County.

If you were hearing Fulton County and now suddenly don't, my guess is the problem is in your programming somewhere. Try making a small scan list with just Fulton County and go from there. I can't hear the Fulton site from here, but I can usually hear the Lucas Simulcast.

 

[dpoterek]

You are going to have to give some details on this. Which sites in Michigan - please use location (sites/towers) names listed here - https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?sid=100

Ohio MARCS is not listed as simulcast https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?sid=6643

For Macomb Simulcast - do I leave all the frequencies? I heard that can lead to broadcasts cutting out? New so trying to figure this out.

 

[iMONITOR]

For Macomb Simulcast - do I leave all the frequencies? I heard that can lead to broadcasts cutting out? New so trying to figure this out.

Program the red primary sites and the blue alternate sites.

Michigan's Public Safety Communications System (MPSCS) Site: Macomb County Simulcast

Michigan's Public Safety Communications System (MPSCS) Site: Macomb County Simulcast Details

www.radioreference.com

 

[Ronaldski]

Be sure to also apply the latest firmware 108.01 it will usually ship with version 1.07 at best and has helped with simulcast.

BCD996P2FirmwareUpdate < UnidenMan4 < TWiki

info.uniden.com

 

[dpoterek]

Great thanks for the info. Are there any other settings I should consider for the best reception when programming this site?