Mid-Atlantic Digital Radio network - Connect Plus system 141

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All I can say is that there’s a thread in the Indiana form about ERS – OCI. They have a wide area to connect plus system which is being replaced by a capacity max T3 system and over there. They’ve experienced some of the same things, and somebody in that thread had mentioned, suggesting that they knew what they were talking about, that a particular site could operate in a mode that supports both T3 and Cap+. I don’t know if that’s only a transitional thing or if that’s something that could be maintained for the lifetime. I don’t know if any of it’s true. But it has been reported before.
CapMax will beacon like Cap+ if the control channel is shared instead of dedicated.
 

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It pulses about once every second. 60 BPM..
It's signal is off the scale compared to the constant CC mode previously observed from the same tower.
Apparently DSD÷ is happy decoding this mode.
It must be a real thing.. LOL
Ive been replacing the combiners at each site so far as well. De-tuned Telewaves being replaced with new, shiny, factory tuned TX/RX.
 

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Thanks for the great info. That has puzzled me for a while.

Mike
I commented about a Cap+ type beacon on a CapMax system a while ago and got good information from several forum users.
 

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New one: Butler knob (Huntingdon county)
On the Con+ side, CC for 141-35 has moved from 454.15625 to 454.01875.
454.15625 is now L8-41, NL 42, 38, 43, 40, 44.
LCNs of 227 (452.825 Williamsport) for 38, and 327 for 43 (454.075 in Boalsburg).
 

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New one: Butler knob (Huntingdon county)
On the Con+ side, CC for 141-35 has moved from 454.15625 to 454.01875.
454.15625 is now L8-41, NL 42, 38, 43, 40, 44.
LCNs of 227 (452.825 Williamsport) for 38, and 327 for 43 (454.075 in Boalsburg).
454.15625 should come to LSN 6085/6086 LCN 3042
141-35 has never been added to RR DB.
 
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New one: Butler knob (Huntingdon county)
On the Con+ side, CC for 141-35 has moved from 454.15625 to 454.01875.
454.15625 is now L8-41, NL 42, 38, 43, 40, 44.
LCNs of 227 (452.825 Williamsport) for 38, and 327 for 43 (454.075 in Boalsburg).

Instead of transposing everything it’s probably a good idea to actually try to post a screenshot of DSD plus when you can
 

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Instead of transposing everything it’s probably a good idea to actually try to post a screenshot of DSD plus when you can
I'm getting all that using SDRTrunk, which is a pain but it is what I can get to work correctly on Linux. Basically I'm going through a chunk of DMR messages manually then writing everything to paper and posting it.
 

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New one: Butler knob (Huntingdon county)
On the Con+ side, CC for 141-35 has moved from 454.15625 to 454.01875.
454.15625 is now L8-41, NL 42, 38, 43, 40, 44.
LCNs of 227 (452.825 Williamsport) for 38, and 327 for 43 (454.075 in Boalsburg).

Are you positive that is Butler knob? Neither Butler Knob or Ebensburg were ever published as being online. Both would have had 454.15625 assigned to them.
 

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But that is interesting because I would think that L8-23 McConnellsburg would be a neighbor to Butler Knob, 454.15625 and 454.01875 are almost the same strength here, Ebensburg would be extremely weak if even there at all, VHF reception from the west for me is almost non-existent, let alone hearing anything on UHF. I've monitored 141-35 before when the CC was on 454.15625 and it was the same as what is now on 454.01875, in fact every time there is voice traffic it shows the channel grant on LSN 4, LCN 2 and SDRTrunk throws a message that there is no LSN mapped to that channel but I'm hearing the full conversation, because it is now acting as a single channel site, control on slot 1 and voice on slot 2.
 

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Definitely Butler knob, NL matches the one for 141-35 in the wiki. No way I could hear Ebensburg from here anyway.

I guess my own problem with "Butler Knob" is that there has never been a PADRN / MADRN map showing the existence of a site at Butler Knob. In the wiki, there is the repeater map (which does NOT provide site names) - Others have went through and labeled each site. For whomever labeled "Butler Knob", I'd like to know how they knew that. Apparently somebody went mobile, with DSDPlus and a scanner without an antenna, and when they noted that they could pull in that control channel without an antenna on the scanner, they deemed that location as "Butler Knob". No geodata information. No information on whether they actually were at / saw a tower that might have the equipment on it.

So no matter if the site is up and operational, who knows where that site really is other than the person who made the notes on the repeater map. Probably a reason why that site had never been submitted to the DB -- they would have been asked some more concrete questions about geolocation data, what they saw when they were there, etc.

And of course that semi-static document of the repeater map from back when it was fetched is being updated with information about L8. Good grief. Nothing likely mangling historical data so that it all becomes nonsensical and useless.

Mike
 
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I guess my own problem with "Butler Knob" is that there has never been a PADRN / MADRN map showing the existence of a site at Butler Knob. In the wiki, there is the repeater map (which does NOT provide site names) - Others have went through and labeled each site. For whomever labeled "Butler Knob", I'd like to know how they knew that. Apparently somebody went mobile, with DSDPlus and a scanner without an antenna, and when they noted that they could pull in that control channel without an antenna on the scanner, they deemed that location as "Butler Knob". No geodata information. No information on whether they actually were at / saw a tower that might have the equipment on it.

So no matter if the site is up and operational, who knows where that site really is other than the person who made the notes on the repeater map. Probably a reason why that site had never been submitted to the DB -- they would have been asked some more concrete questions about geolocation data, what they saw when they were there, etc.

And of course that semi-static document of the repeater map from back when it was fetched is being updated with information about L8. Good grief. Nothing likely mangling historical data so that it all becomes nonsensical and useless.

Mike
Butler Knob is a Centre site, CapMax site 41, Conn+ 35.
 

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There may be some sites that turned unnecessarily green on the MADRN T3 system. I was mostly updating site names, but I also added a few sites that people have confimed along the way but did not submit.

Mike
 

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The corresponding sites in the OneVoice MAX sites wiki have been marked as red. (I want to leave them in the wiki for now, just to keep track). DB has been updated, too, I see for both systems.

I also was bored and made 2 additional Wiki pages for the MADRN T3 system: (I see that @mtindor created the system wiki page, thanks!)
 

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The corresponding sites in the OneVoice MAX sites wiki have been marked as red. (I want to leave them in the wiki for now, just to keep track). DB has been updated, too, I see for both systems.

I also was bored and made 2 additional Wiki pages for the MADRN T3 system: (I see that @mtindor created the system wiki page, thanks!)

THanks, it was beyond what my thought processes could handle to properly create those subpages with all the things at the bottom.

Glad people posted screenshots. I recall seeing ENC talkgroups in many of the screenshots posted over the past few weeks. I just remember what they were, but I'm sure they are unconfirmed considering they are ENC.

Mike
 
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