Mobile/base version of 396 or 246?

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I'm itching to replace several of my BC780's and BC785's. Any clues or hints as to when we will see a mobile or base version of a scanner with dynamic memory? I'd hate to have to buy a Pro-2096. Silver would clash with all my other gear.

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When it comes out it will be in my collection beleive me.
 

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N7OLQ said:
I'm itching to replace several of my BC780's and BC785's. Any clues or hints as to when we will see a mobile or base version of a scanner with dynamic memory? I'd hate to have to buy a Pro-2096. Silver would clash with all my other gear.

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Hello,

Based on what Mr. Opitz said about not commenting on products more than six months away from release it would seem you will be waiting at least until Spring or Summer 2006.

73 Eric
 

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Yes it would clash

Although my understading that the 2096 is a good scanner it would clash with the uniden colors. I had the opportunity to see it when on vacation in Myrtle Beach when the family was window shopping at a shopping center. I thought it had a ugly appearance, more so that it would stick out with the unidens.
 

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I am really hoping for a new base model but it doesnt seem its going to happen anytime soon. Maybe they have a warehouse or two filled with 796d's still?? Sorry but after the pro92 Uniden just blows the GRE line away. Like many others I tried both the pro96 then the 2096, both returned within a week. I have been hesitant to buy another 796d hoping a new model would be released but it looks like I will pick up another one before the holidays. Come on Uniden we have money waiting to spend!!

Anxiously waiting for the new mobile/base.
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EricCottrell said:
Hello,

Based on what Mr. Opitz said about not commenting on products more than six months away from release it would seem you will be waiting at least until Spring or Summer 2006.

73 Eric

i think if uniden has a new model, you see it at the ces show in janurary. just like the 396

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Well like all the Chicago fans here in the city says "wait til next year."
 

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Uniden BC-896D

When Uniden comes out with a base/mobile version on the BC396D, say for the sake of argument that it is a BC-896D, do you guys think it will have the same features as the BC-396D? Do you think it will be in the same size case as the BC-780, BC-785, and BC-796 or do you think it will be smaller more like the BC-760XLT was? Also, can you think of any additional features, within reason, that it might have or should have? Do you think that the BNC antenna connector is here to stay on mobile scanners? Any thoughts on the display? Maybe blue like the BC-396? I like the twin display of the Yaesu FT-8800 amateur mobile transceiver. I wonder if we will ever see something like that in a scanner. It could be sort of handy, say scan of the right side and leave the left side to "Fire Tone Out" on your favorite frequency with up to 10 code groups. Or, how about scanning on one side and searching on the other side?
 

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Official Response: Uniden does not announce scanner models until about 6 months prior to production. So, the answer is either "No, Uniden will not be coming out with mobile versions" or "Yes, but they are more than 6 months from production."

Unnofficial commentary: I will not make a "clone" of the current models and call them base/mobile units. If we were to make new mobile radios (and reread the Official Response, please), they would incorporate more functionality, features, and things you've said you want than any model we currently have. Otherwise, what's the point of having a new model?

You can't win by being either as good as the competition or as good as you were last year. You win by listening to your customers, looking at your own products as well as the competition with a critical eye, then doing what you can to blow away all expectations. Heck, where's the fun in tying for first place?

So, keep on talking...I'm listening. Just can't participate all the time.
 

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UPMan said:
Official Response: Uniden does not announce scanner models until about 6 months prior to production. So, the answer is either "No, Uniden will not be coming out with mobile versions" or "Yes, but they are more than 6 months from production."

Unnofficial commentary: I will not make a "clone" of the current models and call them base/mobile units. If we were to make new mobile radios (and reread the Official Response, please), they would incorporate more functionality, features, and things you've said you want than any model we currently have. Otherwise, what's the point of having a new model?

You can't win by being either as good as the competition or as good as you were last year. You win by listening to your customers, looking at your own products as well as the competition with a critical eye, then doing what you can to blow away all expectations. Heck, where's the fun in tying for first place?

So, keep on talking...I'm listening. Just can't participate all the time.

i would like a quarter pounder with cheese- only kidding

uniden is doing great with listening- keep up the great work!

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Feature requests

Paul,
Here are some things I'd like to see added (mostly firmware stuff).

1. Quick Review - sometimes you can't get to the scanner to see what Freq or ID was just active. A press of a button would allow you to scroll through the last 10 (?) hits: Freq. TG. info

2. CC loss error tone - This feature belongs more on a handheld, but through some tricky logic you should be able to sound an error beep when the scanner loses the control channel (while the scanner is still looking for a control channel in that bank/system - obvioulsy not when the scanner moves to scan a new system). There is nothing like having the scanner running in the background, thinking hmmm, what quiet night, only to find out you are in a dead spot and you are no longer tracking the CC.

3. Temp lockout - This has been asked for before. I first thought of it when I bought my first sythesized scanner (the BC50xl). Either have a time setting so the freq/ID becomes unlocked, or if there is no clock function within the scanner, just make it unlock the temp-lockouts on next power-up.

4. SmartZone - This has been discussed a lot. A better way to handle multiple sites (CC) for the same set of talkgroups.

5. Toggle labels - A great feature of the Uniden MR8100 is that when you toggle on or off a bank, it momentarily flashes the name of the bank. This would be a great feature for GQK names. The 396T can have thousands of Quick Groups. That is a lot to remember. The current scroll function does work pretty well, but a quick flash of the name on the display would be great.

6. SQK names - allow naming of system Quick Keys and feature #5 above. I'm not sure how practical this is, but it seems like a logical enhancement.

7. Display both the Freq and talkgroup ID at the same time like the BC780 did

Now for hardware upgrades, a dual receiver scanner would be cool so we could have true priority scanning in trunked mode. I'm not sure how much this would add to the price. But if it could be done for $30 to $50 (Uniden cost), I think it would still be in the ballpark for a high-end consumer scanner.

Please don't skimp on the audio. Bigger speaker, more power. The 78_ series is okay, but my Motorola handhelds have better audio. It can be done.

Don't get me wrong. The BC396T is an awesome scanner and if you cloned it into a mobile version, I would buy a few and be more than happy.

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If Uniden could perhaps offer an aftermarket "kit" or accessory that would allow for a remote head radio, that would be awesome!

If a future mobile scanner had an option for a $50 - $100 remote head unit, or even better, included one with the basic unit, I know I'd buy one. And probably a lot of other people.

For that matter, it would be pretty neat to have something similar to plug into the existing handheld scanners and essentially turn them into 'mobile' units. This would be perfect for those of us using handhelds in the car, but not wanting to dig the scanner out of the console to fidget with the settings, etc.

Also, I'll second more audio power for both handheld scanners and mobiles. Relm's old HS200 handheld was pretty loud.

Thanks for listening!
 

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UPMan said:
So, keep on talking...I'm listening. Just can't participate all the time.
Something for those of us who stream, maybe? Have the scanner output on squelch open, then accept a freq/TGID/text request (our choice - 2 different commands - freq/TGID or text)? It's almost there now - the older scanners had output on squelch open, and the 396 does a nice text output on request, although it's a bit cluttered.
 

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N7OLQ said:
2. CC loss error tone - This feature belongs more on a handheld, but through some tricky logic you should be able to sound an error beep when the scanner loses the control channel (while the scanner is still looking for a control channel in that bank/system - obvioulsy not when the scanner moves to scan a new system). There is nothing like having the scanner running in the background, thinking hmmm, what quiet night, only to find out you are in a dead spot and you are no longer tracking the CC.

6. SQK names - allow naming of system Quick Keys and feature #5 above. I'm not sure how practical this is, but it seems like a logical enhancement.

7. Display both the Freq and talkgroup ID at the same time like the BC780 did

Now for hardware upgrades, a dual receiver scanner would be cool so we could have true priority scanning in trunked mode. I'm not sure how much this would add to the price. But if it could be done for $30 to $50 (Uniden cost), I think it would still be in the ballpark for a high-end consumer scanner.

Please don't skimp on the audio. Bigger speaker, more power. The 78_ series is okay, but my Motorola handhelds have better audio. It can be done.

#2. This gets old REALLY fast. My XTS does it and it's annoying as (fill in applicable location).

#6. Why?

#7. If added, make it optional. There are times I don't want sensitive frequencies displayed. If you want the frequency displayed, you can program it in the text tag. I have a few channels like that that are used in several areas.

$30 for a second RX w/trunking decoder? I bet more like $200 is the least it could be done for. Then there is the size increase.

Motorola HTs have larger batteries to suck the power from, too. Usually the equivallent of 6 AA cells. Who wants to replace 6 cells at a time? Who wants that heavy of a scanner? While more audio power would be nice, I would not want an XTS/PRO-96 size scanner after having the 396. Call me spoiled if you want. I've found much better reception since the ability to put the scanner in my pocket rather than my belt. With the scanner in your pocket, you don't need as much audio power.

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i want more audio, but dont want to pay a lot more for it ?
i guess a cabinet re-design is in order to get that audio out.

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#2 - Yes, it would have to be optional per system. On a weak system, it would drive you crazy.

#6 - with 100 available SQKs, you can set up specialized situation-based SQKs, like hazmat events in north county. You could set up 20 or 30 of these specialized SQKs, but it would be nearly impossible to remember what each one was for. A SQK label would solve that problem.

#7 - I'm not sure I understand your objection. Are other people looking at your scanner screen on a reguar basis that you would need to hide information from them? I'm really referring to displaying the trunked freqs and TG ID in addition to the text tag. In conventional mode, the freq with the text tag.

If they can make a $300 dual band HT with TX capability, it can't cost $200 for the receiver. On low cost HTs, they use a single receiver with frequency dividers. There is no need for a separate decoder since when a TG is active on a voice freq, the decoder is unused since it has no more data coming in. The first receiver could feed the decoder all the time and the second receiver would be tasked with tuning voice freqs.

Lets take a wild guess at the 396 costs (I'm making a lot of assumptions here)

$520 consumer price
$457 dealer price (12% mark-up)
$434 disti price (5% mark-up)
$260 Uniden cost (assumes a 40% margin, it could be lower, but this is not a high volume product and they need to recover their capital and equipment costs over just a few years. I would not be surprised if their margin was closer to 60%)

Now take out burden, overhead, taxes, duties, labor, capital equipment, mfg tooling, etc. ...say 20%. That takes estimated parts costs to about $208.

My guess is that the LCD display is pretty expensive as is the cost of the custom processor which might leave about $180 for the rest of the parts. Now what portion of the remaining $180 is going to the the RF section and decoder? Maybe 50%?
Adding a second RF receiver that just covered the trunking bands with no additional decoder should be well less than $80.


Remember we are talking about future base/mobile units here so size and battery life are not issues we have to worry about.
 
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The current audio and chassis style of the 796 that is going to be replaced is not too bad, however I'd like to see more information on the display. How about displaying the system id with the alpha display and frequency. I still want a flip down foot for base use. How about a feature to change the size of the display by turning the VFO knob? A zoom up/down feature. Selectable fonts would be nice. A choice of amber OR blue would help.

Ok, I'd like to see more radioreference database functions/information integrated into the dynamic memory and search features. This is a huge leap above the compitition on the 396. If it would display the System ID at the same time as it displays the alpha tag and frequency, that would be better. If your going to have a trunked activity display we need a way to switch it on for more than 5 seconds. I would also like to see the activity ID display continue from the 796. The ability to display the radio id's with associated talkgroups would be neat.

An interface to be able to import frequencies, talkgroups, and alpha tags in to the dynamic memory IS the way to go. We would also need a way to get the data up to date without reflashing the firmware. The less we have to progam, but the more information we can get, all the better. It is really fun to catch DX trunked using the search feature on the 396, you just don't know what trunked system may pop up.

How about turning the audio on when using the auto-store feature?

More abilties need to be added to the Tone out feature. More Tone out memory, multiple radio frequency inputs, use with search and scan.

Dynamic trunked groups to assign a group to more than one system for talkgroups.
Smartzone capable without haveing a 200 talkgroup limit is what I want. A statewide system without having to span multiple systems and repeate talkgroups.

I still would like to see a choice of talkgroup display for Motorola and EDACS(Hex, decimal, Motorola 6).

Anyone still like the Secure Disk slot idea, or should we just continue on with more dynamic memory? :-/

EAS added to the priority feature to complement WX priority.

If Close Call could display what band it is currently searching in that would help.

How about an audio output that could support car stereo input so we can use the existing speakers available in our cars/trucks/vans or home amplifier.

Of course we need better AGC or at least a way to adjust it, similar to the APCO-25 settings on the 396.

On the UASD, could you please add frequency capture (with CTCSS/DCS) to the extended online control?

I really don't think the remote head (or remote control) will fly. This is more of an aftermarket ScannerMaster/Butel idea. They can do it with a palmPC, already.

I'm looking forward to this new mobile/base! +;-)
 
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jpm said:
Although my understading that the 2096 is a good scanner it would clash with the uniden colors. I had the opportunity to see it when on vacation in Myrtle Beach when the family was window shopping at a shopping center. I thought it had a ugly appearance, more so that it would stick out with the unidens.

Think that's bad, take a look at the PRO-2054!!! All it needs now is camo :)))

I like the 396 chassis style. I could see a base/mobile version 796 size with a bigger display and more rounded edges, and did I mention a bigger display...
 

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#7 - I'm not sure I understand your objection. Are other people looking at your scanner screen on a reguar basis that you would need to hide information from them? I'm really referring to displaying the trunked freqs and TG ID in addition to the text tag. In conventional mode, the freq with the text tag.

If they can make a $300 dual band HT with TX capability, it can't cost $200 for the receiver. On low cost HTs, they use a single receiver with frequency dividers. There is no need for a separate decoder since when a TG is active on a voice freq, the decoder is unused since it has no more data coming in. The first receiver could feed the decoder all the time and the second receiver would be tasked with tuning voice freqs.

Remember we are talking about future base/mobile units here so size and battery life are not issues we have to worry about.

#7. Not often, but frequent enough that I would not want the frequencies displayed. Lots of people are interested in the newer scanners who don't have one. Murphy says that someone will key up on a sensitive frequency when someone else is looking at it. I wish the

Even on trunking, the frequency display is not necessary and 'clutters up' the display. It would be much more readable without it there. I wish the CTCSS were not displayed, either. (except on SEARCH mode) But, that's the screen mode that others are wanting added back to the feature list. IOW, others think the display has too much on it already and want the option of a 'cleaner' display.

2nd RX. You will need two decoders. One for converting the digital voice and one for decoding the control channel. If trunking priority only works on analog TRSs, that will likely cause a riot. Most TRSs going on for the past couple years are digital, and most if not all the statewide TRSs are digital. That's a lot of users.

All the Uniden costs are irrelevant unless Uniden wants to start giving scanners away at manufacturing cost. You have to look at it from the street price - period. That is where my figure is based - on how much it will cost US, not Uniden. They certainly won't sell it for only their cost to add it. How would they recover all their R&D?

If we look at the price of a trunking scanner vs a comparable non-trunking one, it's about twice the price. From that, would you say that the trunking decoder is worth half the price of the scanner? P-25 costs about twice the trunking scanner price. While the licensing fees are siginificant, I'm sure, do you think the decoder costs $200? I doubt it on either point. Demand factors into things, too. Trunking priority would be a high-end high-demand item. It will command a higher price tag over and above the cost of the parts to add it to the scanner, and over and above the street price of the circuits. You also have to add muting circuitry for the second RX OR add 'VFO-switching' logic if the second RX is always muted. Either way would work fine. If they want to add true dual receive, that mandates the muting circuitry and squelch circuit. Switching for the decoders for SAME, CTCSS/CDCSS, trunking CC decoding, P-25 decoding, FTO, Etc.is another consideration. Or, basically duplicating the entire scanner circuirty minus the P-25 decoder and audio amp.

You know that people are going to be wanting the features in portables, too. With base/mobiles there is not the size concern so you can have multiple units monitoring the system. That is not the case with portables where size is a concern.

Maybe trunking priority will be one of the features they can add to the mobiles. It sure would be nice as long as it doesn't add more than $100 to the price tag. I'm not sure they can do it for that much, though.

Joe M.
 
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