Mock-Surveillance in Boston, MA

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Has anyone CONFIRMED what agency is doing 'in the clear' mock-surveillance on 168.1125, NAC:68F in Boston, MA area? (With terms like "red-balled" it sounds like feebee's, but that's not a confirmation, exactly.)
 

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168.1125 NAC 68F is NTIA federal law enforcement interoperability channel LE 4 (repeater) or LE 8 (direct).
It could be any federal agency or a state or local agency whith authorization.
 

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'mock' - because it's continuously 'in the clear' and repeaterized and that is pretty bush-league for federal LE agency carrying out a real surveillance operation.

Yes - 'red-balled' means stopped at a red light and a common term used by FBI in Boston since at least the early 1980"s when FBI VHF channels were identified by colors, e.g. Blue, Gold, etc.
 

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168.1125 NAC 68F is NTIA federal law enforcement interoperability channel LE 4 (repeater) or LE 8 (direct).
It could be any federal agency or a state or local agency whith authorization.
Your description of the168.1125 frequency is a true statement.
 

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could be

maybe they all have to play together.
i have heard the dea give a radio to the local sheriff narc unit so it would be easier to just click over to a mutual aid channel.
 

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Considering the Freq/Nac are a Federal Interop, what makes you think Mock ?

:D

Has anyone CONFIRMED what agency is doing 'in the clear' mock-surveillance on 168.1125, NAC:68F in Boston, MA area? (With terms like "red-balled" it sounds like feebee's, but that's not a confirmation, exactly.)
 

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It's not nice to post about LIVE Surv Ops, they then go ENC :mad:

Sometimes (99%) it is best to Sit in the Corner and be quiet, rather than post active Ops

http://forums.radioreference.com/fe...nvestigations-surveillance-threads-posts.html

'mock' - because it's continuously 'in the clear' and repeaterized and that is pretty bush-league for federal LE agency carrying out a real surveillance operation.


Yes - 'red-balled' means stopped at a red light and a common term used by FBI in Boston since at least the early 1980"s when FBI VHF channels were identified by colors, e.g. Blue, Gold, etc.
 
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And Prefaced with "This is a Drill" :roll:

Hanscom AFB, Westover AFRB, USCG (a few examples) all announce "This is a Drill" or "This is an Exercise"

See above. And aren't drills, practices and exercises carried out on real radio frequencies?
 
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There are some who have postulated that any clear operations heard on federal frequencies are training and not real. I find that laughable. While many sensitive operations, including surveillance and protective details, are often encrypted, they do sometimes show up in the clear. This is often just the result of technical difficulties, as in one or more radios having encryption issues, or multiple agencies operating on a common channel who don't share a common encryption key. That happens often.

Now there are some training operations that are carried out on clear frequencies, for sure. But they often are announced as exercises and sometimes take on elements of some bizarre fictional story as units are dispatched to nuclear detonations, chemical weapon deployments or jumbo jet crashes that are clearly part of an exercise.

- Chris
 

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There are some who have postulated that any clear operations heard on federal frequencies are training and not real. I find that laughable. While many sensitive operations, including surveillance and protective details, are often encrypted, they do sometimes show up in the clear. This is often just the result of technical difficulties, as in one or more radios having encryption issues, or multiple agencies operating on a common channel who don't share a common encryption key. That happens often.

Now there are some training operations that are carried out on clear frequencies, for sure. But they often are announced as exercises and sometimes take on elements of some bizarre fictional story as units are dispatched to nuclear detonations, chemical weapon deployments or jumbo jet crashes that are clearly part of an exercise.

- Chris
Probably good to end this thread with Mr. Parris who points out that "there are some training operations that are carried out on clear frequencies". And that they are "often announced as exercises" which means that sometimes they may not be announced as exercises. And that they "sometimes take on elements of some bizarre fictional story" which means that sometimes they may not be bizarre fictional stories.
 

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Annual training, they usually do it in a different city every year, they did it here in Raliegh a few years ago in the clear on 136.075 Mhz which is the defualt frequency for the Astro XTS series radios. They used lots of the catch phrases like "settin up the box", red balled (red light) and all the other James Bond speak..
 
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