yatesfire5
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anyone else monitoring this system ?
monroe/county 700mhz p25 system
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Monroe/ontario county
Listen to both Monroe and Ontario counties as well as other Monroe county "conventional" frequencies. RR showing new "Talk Group" (Monroe County Law) that purportedly includes 8 talk groups although only "MC Towns North" only active freq. The others pop in and out (mostly out). Don't understand it. Wish my Rx had DMR capabilities to hear Livingston county. Annoying that I can't listen.
Listen to both Monroe and Ontario counties as well as other Monroe county "conventional" frequencies. RR showing new "Talk Group" (Monroe County Law) that purportedly includes 8 talk groups although only "MC Towns North" only active freq. The others pop in and out (mostly out). Don't understand it. Wish my Rx had DMR capabilities to hear Livingston county. Annoying that I can't listen.
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I purchased a Whistler TRX-2 to listen to Monroe/ Ontario, Primarily Ontario County fire talk groups. I had numerous problems listening to the talk groups. They would Come in, cut out, Sound distorted etc. the conventional Channels would come in fine, and other counties would work. I took a trip to Chautauqua county and programmed everything in from Ontario county to there in a V scan Folder and I picked up other P25 systems very well, no distortion clear from miles away. I have spent hours on here looking through forums researching and Ontario / Monroe is a multi site simulcast system and there have been numerous problems listening to such system with even the newest scanners. I have returned my TRX-2 to Amazon and i'm going to wait until the TRX-100 or 200 come out and verify no problems. once I get get another scanner (probably in a few months) I plan to monitor again.
The Monroe County Law Talk Groups are patches from the UHF system for interop. The TG will be active on the trunked system only while a trunked subscriber unit is affiliated with the site you are monitoring.
Livingston County is P25 Phase 2, not DMR. In any event, if you are not in Livingston County it generally can not be received. It has minimal coverage outside Livingston.
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DaveNF2G
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Does Livingston County have sufficient coverage that their ambulances can contact dispatch from out-of-county hospitals?
My question is in reference to ALL 8 "Monroe County Law" talk groups. I only have one ("Towns North") that is active. The other 7 show up sporadically and then are silent. Any idea why/when the rest will be become active?
I received a reply from someone awhile ago that stated Livingston county had incorporated a DMR system. I have taken the scanner INTO Livingston county and heard nothing. I'm using a Uniden Bearcat BCD396XT that will pick up the "Monroe/Ontario" system.
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The Livingston 151.055 conventional Fire/EMS repeater does cover well into Monroe and is patched to the TRS but I don't know if they use it.
I don't believe the BCD396XT is P25 Phase 2 capable. Monroe/Ontario is a mix of Phase 1 & 2 so you can receive most of the traffic except for some Fire/EMS that is part time TDMA. Livingston is 100% Phase 2 TDMA so an appropriate scanner is required to hear anything.
As I explained before, all 8 Monroe Law TGs are active only "on demand" when a TRS subscriber is affiliated with the TG. I suspect one or more EMS agencies in the Towns North area are monitoring the TG on their trunked radios so it is active. The others will only be active if an authorized user unit is affiliated. I am not aware of any plans for routine use of these TGs so they will come and go.
The Livingston 151.055 conventional Fire/EMS repeater does cover well into Monroe and is patched to the TRS but I don't know if they use it.
I don't believe the BCD396XT is P25 Phase 2 capable. Monroe/Ontario is a mix of Phase 1 & 2 so you can receive most of the traffic except for some Fire/EMS that is part time TDMA. Livingston is 100% Phase 2 TDMA so an appropriate scanner is required to hear anything.
As I explained before, all 8 Monroe Law TGs are active only "on demand" when a TRS subscriber is affiliated with the TG. I suspect one or more EMS agencies in the Towns North area are monitoring the TG on their trunked radios so it is active. The others will only be active if an authorized user unit is affiliated. I am not aware of any plans for routine use of these TGs so they will come and go.
Ambulance's from Livingston county can reach the the hospitals in monroe by mobile. Mobiles have been increased to 25 watts and can reach well outside the county. I've been as far as Seneca county and was still receivin Livingston on mobile.
Monroe/ontario county
k2hz:
Thanks. Got it. Now I understand.
k2hz:
Thanks. Got it. Now I understand.
It is worth noting that Ontario TGs are frequently, but not always, heard on Monroe sites. Less frequently, a Monroe TG, usually EMS, may be heard on Ontario North.
It all depends on if there is a unit affiliated on that TG in the area. Even Geneva PD occasionally shows up on Monroe East for an hour or so. I assume a unit is in Rochester for court or a prisoner transport.
So, nothing is wrong with your radio if you live in Rochester and wonder why you only hear Ontario Law or Fire dispatch TGs intermittently.
Also, while the Monroe Fire and EMS TGs are nominally P2 TDMA, most dispatch and VHF patch TG activity defaults to P1 FDMA and can be heard on a non-P2 capable scanner. The EMS-Tac TGs are generally P2 since all units are P2 capable.
The RRDB Note: "Some talkgroups on this system are using Project 25 Phase II TDMA modulation which can ONLY be monitored using a P25 Phase II compatible scanner." applies but with emphasis on the word "Some". Some transmissions, on Fire & EMS TGs, may not be heard some of the time if your scanner can not receive P2.
When (or maybe if) Monroe Fire and Law ever move primary communications to the TRS will be when a Phase II capable scanner will be a necessity in Monroe County unless you only want to listen to Public Works TGs.
AFIK, there are no present plans for the Ontario sites to switch to P2 at any time in the near future.
It all depends on if there is a unit affiliated on that TG in the area. Even Geneva PD occasionally shows up on Monroe East for an hour or so. I assume a unit is in Rochester for court or a prisoner transport.
So, nothing is wrong with your radio if you live in Rochester and wonder why you only hear Ontario Law or Fire dispatch TGs intermittently.
Also, while the Monroe Fire and EMS TGs are nominally P2 TDMA, most dispatch and VHF patch TG activity defaults to P1 FDMA and can be heard on a non-P2 capable scanner. The EMS-Tac TGs are generally P2 since all units are P2 capable.
The RRDB Note: "Some talkgroups on this system are using Project 25 Phase II TDMA modulation which can ONLY be monitored using a P25 Phase II compatible scanner." applies but with emphasis on the word "Some". Some transmissions, on Fire & EMS TGs, may not be heard some of the time if your scanner can not receive P2.
When (or maybe if) Monroe Fire and Law ever move primary communications to the TRS will be when a Phase II capable scanner will be a necessity in Monroe County unless you only want to listen to Public Works TGs.
AFIK, there are no present plans for the Ontario sites to switch to P2 at any time in the near future.
k2hz:
Appreciate the additional insight to the "M/O" system & sites. I rechecked and found that Livingston county is a TDMA trunk which my 396XT will not pick up. I'll program the 151.055 freq. and see if that works. As for "fire" freqs. I concentrate on HFD (154.415) that operates "on it's own" so to speak, at least for now, but can hear other depts. on the "E/W Fireground" (Monroe) or "OP" channels (Ontario) for "working conflagrations". Thanks again and please keep any additional or new info. coming.
Appreciate the additional insight to the "M/O" system & sites. I rechecked and found that Livingston county is a TDMA trunk which my 396XT will not pick up. I'll program the 151.055 freq. and see if that works. As for "fire" freqs. I concentrate on HFD (154.415) that operates "on it's own" so to speak, at least for now, but can hear other depts. on the "E/W Fireground" (Monroe) or "OP" channels (Ontario) for "working conflagrations". Thanks again and please keep any additional or new info. coming.
KA1RBI
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I receive Livingston P25 Phase II and Ontario P25 Phase I from here (Cortland county) - using a software receiver, running OP25.
Max
Got it. Thanks.
yatesfire5
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thanks for your reply's i live in seneca castle ontario county and have a radio shack pro 197 i even bought a directional antenna to try and pick up the system some days i get them all loud and clear other days it sucks i want to buy something so i can pick them up better but don't think there is anything out there also not sure if all my scanner settings are corrected i also just bought a uniden bcd436hp picks up great in the city of geneva thats about it so far
If you are in Seneca Castle you are right between the Hopewell and Geneva towers plus overlapping signals from other tower sites so your scanner will have a problem with the simulcast reception, even with a directional antenna attempting to favor one site. There is a license for a new tower in Phelps to help coverage in your area but I do not know if it is in service yet.
Yates fire if your havin trouble picking up Ontario with a scanner I would suggest spending the few more bucks on a g4/g5. I got a g5 and have had no problems anywhere ive been through out Ontario county. Flower city communication is a local dealer of unication
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