Moose Jaw Police

[Jay911]

Hi folks,

While doing a "P25 system search" in the database I discovered the following system entry:

Moose Jaw Police Service Trunking System, Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan - Scanner Frequencies

It's listed as a "P25 Motorola X2-TDMA" system but with a Motorola Type II system ID and talkgroups which are evenly divisible by 16 (true P25 systems can have talkgroup values of any number).

I think somebody has inadvertently confused a Motorola trunking (Type II) system that has P25 Common Air Interface (digital voice) with a Motorola P25 system.

Can somebody in the area try to monitor the system with the data configured as a P25 system, and if that doesn't work, change to Motorola Type II, and report back?

If it's Motorola Type II, it should be registered as such in the database - even if all traffic is encrypted, it would still be better to have the correct system type/flavor identified.

Thanks!

 

[GTR8000]

This thread may be related:

http://forums.radioreference.com/prairies-pacific-coast/222935-moose-jaw-police.html

I can't make much sense out of the OP's post, but it appears that he stumbled upon the P25 CAI NAC (which you can easily obtain by monitoring a Type II w/P25 CAI voice channel with NAC search on), which led to the assumption that the system had been "upgraded" to a full-fledged P25 system, and it was subsequently (incorrectly) changed in the RRDB. 6D1D is clearly a Motorola system ID, not P25.

The system definitely started out in the RRDB as a Motorola Type II w/P25 CAI, and was changed to P25 X2-TDMA at some point after November 21, 2010:

Moose Jaw Police Service Trunking System, Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan - Scanner Frequencies

 

[mikewazowski]

From what I can tell, it would appear that this system might have been upgraded to a P25 system but it's hard to tell. Most of the submissions are unclear as to what they are actually running.

The last submission says that they've bought new P25 radios and the old system can be removed. I'm not sure how you can jump to that conclusion? The old system might have been using Securenet and they've converted it to handle P25 voice.

There's a submission from 2009 which says that it is a P25 system but gives no further information.

There's the thread which shows a NAC of 293 which would indicate a conventional system using the Motorola default NAC. Maybe they've converted the frequencies over to conventional?

I went through some old PM's about the system and I've got one member saying the old system was decommissioned and they're now conventional and another saying they've upgraded the system to "true P25 digital encryption".

Here's another line: "Wouldnt say the system is decommisioned, just pure digital, p25 (likely phase 2), encrypted 99.9%" The PM also mentions the officers switched from XTS3500's to XTS2000's (which don't exist).

So who knows what it actually is? Somebody who's in the area and can monitor it and provide some sort of proof as to what the system actually is will be needed. I'd take a proper P25 system ID or a WACN as proof.

Anybody feel like driving up?

 

[kayn1n32008]

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I am not close enough to drive there, but Moose Jaw is small so I can not see the need to go to phase 2. If it has gone to 9600bps P25 i wonder if it may become an extension of the PPSTN? Just a stab in the dark.