I unaware of any Motorola radios that don't cover that band.
Most are available in an S split model specifically for that band and some newer radios will do 380-512MHz.
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I unaware of any Motorola radios that don't cover that band.
Most are available in an S split model specifically for that band and some newer radios will do 380-512MHz.
Project25_MASTR
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Interesting. I have never seen wide split Motorola (no one locally needs them)
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jcop225
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Thanks Bill, I figured I was safe on the FCC's own website...They need to delete the transition section already.
jcop225
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It appears the original post was edited, that is probably the source of confusion on the required bandwidth.
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older motorolas that were designed for 25KHz specs can easily have their deviation turned down so they do not sound over loud or distorted on 12.5KHz kit. On receive they will just be a little bit lacking in volume, and the signal to noise a little worse. The only performance issue that could happen is that if there is a strong transmission on the next 12.5KHz channel, the radio cannot discriminate between wanted and unwanted channels, so there is considerable interference and distortion. Where there is no close channel operation, you don't notice. Anyone with the workshop manual can lower the deviation on these older radios, once you find the trimmer on the pcbs. My motorola is happy listening to 25KHz channel deviation levels, but I also have an Icom (H16) that mutes the audio if the deviation is set too high on the transmitter.
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You can turn down the deviation, however it is not legal to do so and use the radio as it is not narrowband type accepted. Besides, I'd recommend using the right tool for the job. Especially being a public safety radio.
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My question is would you really want to trust a cheap radio when you're trapped inside of a burning building and calling for help to pull you out from under burning debris? Standing around outside watching the firefighters work and using the radio to listen in is one thing. Needing it as your lifeline is quite another.
I can not believe the amount of misinformation being spewed out here. Yes the HT1000 is a workhorse of a radio that was probably the last good mid tier radio produced by motorola before they shoved the waris series down everyone's throat.
I know the VX-180 was suggested and somewhat dismissed because of a preference for Motorola, but it should be noted that Motorola owns Vertex. The Vx-180 was pre-purchase, but most people I've talked with say the purchase was a "If you can't beat 'em, buy 'em" move. Don't dismiss on name alone.
Project25_MASTR
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Just know that they program in DOS and as stated earlier, not all HT1000 models narrowband (if that is needed for the operated frequency).
MTS2000des
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ANY used radio being placed into the fire service for duty use needs to be properly PM'ed and documented as such by a qualified technician. Failing to do so is negligence at best.
MTS2000des
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Every radio being used by a fire fighter for safety of life needs to be PM'ed. Every...single...one.
Doing anything less is putting your fellow firefighter's lives at risk. Used radios are like used cars. Just because one in a lot is good and passes a PM check is no indication others will. You don't know the history or provenance of them, and unless the seller will certify them himself/herself with documentation, you should not trust any one of them until they have been gone through.
You would not buy a lot of used fire trucks or turnout gear and say "one works" and stop there. You should not do it with a piece of equipment your brother and sister firefighters' need when their lives most depend on it.
All revisions will do 12.5 kHz channel bandwidth (and 2.5 kHz deviation) but only DN models will do the "splinter" frequencies.
Project25_MASTR
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I've always been told that only the DN's would do 2.5 kHz.
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In the UK, the idea of any of the public services using second hand or outdated radios would be unthinkable. We've sadly inherited the worst of the US look for the scapegoat afterwards mentality. We now tend to have 'guidelines' instead of rules, yet not following guidelines used in court in negligence claims.
Are we not really discussing what is the best, worst case scenario. As in, there is no budget for the proper radios, so what is a good second best? If you are thinking a purchase of 20 or more this a real service purchase and not, as I thought a few guys wanting to won their own radios - it's to become part of equipment.
On the testing front - anyone with the right piece of kit can do a pass/fail test if the test conditions are known, and to be honest, cheap Chinese radios can often pass these - sensitivity, selectivity and deviation are the usual variables. People usually buy certain Motorolas simply because after you drop them 20 feet, they still work, rarely because of audio quality. Sometimes purchases are simply because the batteries last ages, or they have big knobs that gloved hands can work, rather than ultimate technical specifications. If you look inside an old cheaper Motorola, like the crystal controlled P60s I used years ago, the component count is high, the standard of construction really good - but when you look in modern ones, there really is very little inside at all - certainly very few things to tweak, and the Chinese ones that sell very cheaply are either flimsy, or substantial casing wise - electronics wise, the RF sections are now much simpler.
Are we not really discussing what is the best, worst case scenario. As in, there is no budget for the proper radios, so what is a good second best? If you are thinking a purchase of 20 or more this a real service purchase and not, as I thought a few guys wanting to won their own radios - it's to become part of equipment.
On the testing front - anyone with the right piece of kit can do a pass/fail test if the test conditions are known, and to be honest, cheap Chinese radios can often pass these - sensitivity, selectivity and deviation are the usual variables. People usually buy certain Motorolas simply because after you drop them 20 feet, they still work, rarely because of audio quality. Sometimes purchases are simply because the batteries last ages, or they have big knobs that gloved hands can work, rather than ultimate technical specifications. If you look inside an old cheaper Motorola, like the crystal controlled P60s I used years ago, the component count is high, the standard of construction really good - but when you look in modern ones, there really is very little inside at all - certainly very few things to tweak, and the Chinese ones that sell very cheaply are either flimsy, or substantial casing wise - electronics wise, the RF sections are now much simpler.
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