Maybe ask in the Australia forum? Did you scroll down far enough to look? I've moved your post to facilitate an answer.69956995 said:Hello, i live in Australia and all our police channels have gone encripted. Can someone tell me will the motorolaxts-5000 be able to pick them up.
The short and sweet answer is no... they use an encryption key (not a system key) that to date is unhackable. As you point out the key is regularly changed over the air (OTAR) to deal with radios that are either stolen or "misplaced".SAR2401 said:He's in Australia. I have no idea what the law is about listening to encrypted transmissions. That issue aside, you would have to know the exact method of encryption. Voice inversion is easy to defeat. The newest encyption systems operate with system keys that are constantly changed and downloaded to an affiliated radio. That's impossible to defeat by any of us mere mortals.
Thanks for posting that Grant- and I should add for the benefit of those looking at doing that kind of thing that Ebay and other on line sites are monitored by Police & other NSW government agencies for any "suss" radios. People have received a knock on the door in the past- and I know of at least one case where a person lost their job over selling "suss" radios. It isn't worth it.I should have added a bit more information.
It is illegal here in Australia to access and use a radio network that you are not authorised to be part of, or have radios in your custody that are part of that network, as a result of unauthorised access (ie stolen equipment etc). For instance, the NSW Police have made it perfectly clear that offenders trying to access their encrypted network by any means will be spending a lengthy time behind bars, courtesy of the NSW Crimes Act (1900). For all intents and purposes, Motorola XTS5000 are not sold in NSW to the public but only to Government users.
Hi Grant,While we are talking about digital networks and encryption here is a brief update on the NSWGRN
The NSW GRN Digital trunking upgrade program seems to have been put back 12mths by a lack of funding in the state budget last week. Despite a record 47.6 billion budget there appears to be no capital funding provison for the ongoing upgrade of the GRN to digital.
It may have been postphoned given that there has been some discussion at federal and state government level about a national multi-agency trunking network, possibly at 380MHz. It is understood that the Defence Department have advised that they require the full use of the 380Mhz band, so I not sure where the matter is currently at.
(Particularly the Executive summary section)
Dave,You have to remember that bands such as the 420-440Mhz band are not only used by amatuer radio, but are actually also shared witht he millitary.
Trying to take bandwidth from the millitary is like trying to get blood from a stone. Us amatuers ( yes I am a licensed ham ) are lucky that we get to share bandwidth with the millitary. But if they want to use it they get prioroty. As for other state government agencies, they will have little luck taking any bands away that are owned or shared by the millitary.
Hi Grant,I am no fan of amateurs hogging a band either or holding others to ransom. If I was in charge of the frequencies I would move the amateurs to 440-450Mhz and let them play there.
Then the 410-440Mhz could be accomodated by GRN type networks, we could upgrade all the equipment to the ASTRO P25 Omnilink with AES encryption setup like Victoria's MMR and make sure that the network is used by all local, state and federal governments (instead of isolated pockets). It might cost a packet to setup but it would be money well spent. And for encryption we may as well go for overkill with AES rather than DES.
I am fairly sure if there was a major incident in Oz, amateur objections wouldn't get a look in. May as well set it up before something happens.