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Have you scanned to see if they use MURS? A lot of commercial / retail uses MURS, including Walmart and Target. Set frequencies, you can change the PL/Tone. I set up a bunch of cheap BTech MURS radios for my work and programmed them with two channels. License free for businesses and cheap. Only 2watts which is usually fine.

I would maybe also scan FRS and GMRS. I know Brownstone in Middletown "illegally" use FRS/GMRS Motorola radios (I have the same models, but I also have a GMRS license and General HA, and not using them commercially). and many other businesses just pick them up not knowing better and use them for business purposes.
 

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I would maybe also scan FRS and GMRS. I know Brownstone in Middletown "illegally" use FRS/GMRS Motorola radios (I have the same models, but I also have a GMRS license and General HA, and not using them commercially). and many other businesses just pick them up not knowing better and use them for business purposes.
Like MURS, it is perfectly legal to use FRS/GMRS "bubble pack" radios sold as FRS radios for commercial communications use without a FCC license (aka license by rule). GMRS-only radios would also be legal for commercial use as long as each person had their own GMRS license (or was included in an immediate family member license). All of this assumes the radios are FCC certified for their respective Part 95 use.
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Like MURS, it is perfectly legal to use FRS/GMRS "bubble pack" radios sold as FRS radios for commercial communications use without a FCC license (aka license by rule). GMRS-only radios would also be legal for commercial use as long as each person had their own GMRS license (or was included in an immediate family member license). All of this assumes the radios are FCC certified for their respective Part 95 use.
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Huh. I already read or got the idea that generally FRS is intended for non-commercial uses, and GMRS was also required to have a license but to individuals for use only. TIL! Maybe I was mixing some Ham rules in my knowledge pool and I know that's 100% not for commercial use.

The Motorola/Cobra/Uniden and other "bubble pack" radios are actually set to not be sold commercially anymore in FRS/GMRS combos, FCC was mandating that they be sold as separate GMRS and FRS radios as people keep using GMRS without licenses. I forgot when, or if it has, already started. I stocked up on a few of the latest Motorolas last year to keep around for various uses, great for family on vacation in parks with no cell service. Although ideally I'd get everyone in the family to get a HA license. lol.
 

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FCC was mandating that they be sold as separate GMRS and FRS radios as people keep using GMRS without licenses. I forgot when, or if it has, already started. I stocked up on a few of the latest Motorolas last year to keep around for various uses, great for family on vacation in parks with no cell service. Although ideally I'd get everyone in the family to get a HA license. lol.

Not exactly.

The FCC changed the rules regarding FRS and GMRS a few years back. Realizing that the 2 watt 22 channel FRS/GMRS radios were a cat that got let out of the bag, so to speak, they made it so license by rule can use the 2 watt 22 channel radios legally.

Has nothing to do with keeping business users from using GMRS.
Business users can use GMRS under the new rules without a license if they use the 2 watt or less radios.
Businesses can use higher power GMRS radios, like everyone else, as long as every user is covered under a valid GMRS license.
"Grandfathered" businesses can use GMRS if they have a license for it. There are still many legal business users on GMRS. I have a towing company locally and my employer has a couple of GMRS channels licensed from long ago (although we don't use them).

§95.1731 Permissible GMRS uses.
The operator of a GMRS station may use that station for two-way plain language voice communications with other GMRS stations and with FRS units concerning personal or business activities.

The limitations on selling specific radios has to do with type acceptance and how the "new" rules apply.
 

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I always thought it was crazy that under the prior rules (prior to 9-28-2017), you were technically breaking Federal law if you went past channel 14 on your $20 FRS/GMRS bubble pack radio.
As Mr Buttle found out, the consequences could be severe:)
 
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