MPSCS Radio Template

[jrupp4285]

REMOVED !
Some don't understand that I am only trying to make something that will RX out of a old radio. What ever happend to experimentation. There is NO intention on invading or "hacking" into a system I have no place being.

I don't care about the TX FREQ. I want nothing to do with that kind of work. I'm just interested to file out of I can make a scanner out of a old radio. RX ONLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Grog]

FYI If someone wants you to be on their system, they will program your radio to access it. Otherwise don't be shocked when your radio gets bricked :lol:

 

[smartboy06]

All I know is the standard template for the "statewide" channels (per the MPSCS policies that can be found on their site).

Zone E- Statewide Channels (STATW1-STATW8)
Zone F- I-Call Channels (Repeated and Direct....repeaters have to be turned on by MSP dispatch)
Zone G- Special Events (GEVENT1-15)
Zone H- Special Events (HEVENT16-30)
Zone I- Special Events (IEVENT31-46)...these are in law enforcement radios only.

Beyond that, it is agency-specific and it's highly unlikely you'll get your hands on a template. People like their jobs too much.

 

[MetalManMI]

I am looking for a SAMPLE template for research. Anyone have a sample template from the MPSCS Radio Programing Unit ? I already have the CSP for motorola.

Thank you,
Jon

All initial programming of radios on the MPSCS system occurs in Lansing. THEY assign the radio ID's.

Here's some good info, for your "research":
http://www.michigan.gov/ag/0,1607,7-164-34739_34811-106788--,00.html

http://www.state.mi.us/mdoc/asp/otis2profile.asp?mdocNumber=167005

http://www.state.mi.us/mdoc/asp/otis2profile.asp?mdocNumber=540197

http://www.state.mi.us/mdoc/asp/otis2profile.asp?mdocNumber=613917

Keep us posted on the progress of your project!

 

[Grog]

I am looking for a SAMPLE template for research. Anyone have a sample template from the MPSCS Radio Programing Unit ? I already have the CSP for motorola.

What do the Connecticut State Police have to do with this?


Hey, you might want to get the programming cable and CPS to program that radio too.

 

[jrupp4285]

Man you sound like I'm trying to "hack" into something ...

I understand the situation and I can assure I have NO intent in ANY manor in "hacking" into the MPSCS system. All I am trying to do is make a scanner out of a xts3000. Why pay for a scanner (500.00) that can recieve the audio when you have a radio that will do the same (RX ONLY). Or am I wrong ? Man, lay off the DOC and AG's office. There isn't going to be anything illeagle about this. If it can't be done so be it. What you all are saying is that if a person has a scanner (a radio device able to RX) and is listening on the MPSCS there guilty of a crime. That's incorrect, if it's public it's public. Again, I am NOT trying to get information on hacking into the MPSCS system ! I don't want to know how ! Just trying to find out if I can take the old radio and use it as a free scanner on the APCO25 system ! I DONT WANT TO OR CARE TO KNOW THE TX FREQ of the MPSCS system. I only want to make a LEGAL scanner out of an old radio.

To those who understand that I am asking help for, thank you ...

 

[jrupp4285]

You are correct ! But don't try to make me sound like a criminal.

All initial programming of radios on the MPSCS system occurs in Lansing. THEY assign the radio ID's.

Here's some good info, for your "research":
http://www.michigan.gov/ag/0,1607,7-164-34739_34811-106788--,00.html

http://www.state.mi.us/mdoc/asp/otis2profile.asp?mdocNumber=167005

http://www.state.mi.us/mdoc/asp/otis2profile.asp?mdocNumber=540197

http://www.state.mi.us/mdoc/asp/otis2profile.asp?mdocNumber=613917

Keep us posted on the progress of your project!

Like I have said, I want nothing to do with the radio's TX abilites or "access" to the MPSCS system. The only thing I'm looking at is if I can take a old radio and turn it into a RX ONLY scanner. Is there anything wrong with that ? I mean radio shack sells them ... Sure the unit has the ability to TX but does that mean it's programed to ? Look at the common cell phone ... You know that that cell phone has ton more features that what you have access to ? The company blocks them off, even when you buy the phone you still can't have access to everything you pay for. Does that mean the cell providers have to "unlock" the phone when you "pay" for it ? If it does I can't see that happening ... Do you kinda unserstand what I'm trying to do ? So don't forward me articals about the AG's office or convicted criminals ! There is no crime in listening, if so this site along with any maker of scanners would be guilty. I thank you for taking the time and reading this.

I thank you for your advise, please know that I want nothing to do with TX abilities of the radio, I'm only looking at the RX (REC AND SCAN).

 

[MaizeBlueFlyover]

I understand the situation and I can assure I have NO intent in ANY manor in "hacking" into the MPSCS system. All I am trying to do is make a scanner out of a xts3000. Why pay for a scanner (500.00) that can recieve the audio when you have a radio that will do the same (RX ONLY). Or am I wrong ? Man, lay off the DOC and AG's office. There isn't going to be anything illeagle about this. If it can't be done so be it. What you all are saying is that if a person has a scanner (a radio device able to RX) and is listening on the MPSCS there guilty of a crime. That's incorrect, if it's public it's public. Again, I am NOT trying to get information on hacking into the MPSCS system ! I don't want to know how ! Just trying to find out if I can take the old radio and use it as a free scanner on the APCO25 system ! I DONT WANT TO OR CARE TO KNOW THE TX FREQ of the MPSCS system. I only want to make a LEGAL scanner out of an old radio.

To those who understand that I am asking help for, thank you ...

Jrupp,

I can understand you wanting to use a nice Motorola radio to monitor the system. They make great durable and rugged radios. I own several Motorola radios and they are among my favorites to use (not MPSCS radios). I can especially understand since it was a free radio for you.

But, the problem with trying to program that particular radio to the MPSCS system is that there is no way to make the radio "trunk" and follow talkgroups without affiliating to the system. Which means the radio will transmit and attempt to "connect" to the system wether you have it programmed to do so or not.

It's not like the older Type II systems where you can passively monitor them. For the radio to trunk properly it will transmit and want to connect to the MPSCS system - so your transmitting on the system now.

There is no way to configure that radio for "receive only" unless you want to just program all the frequecnies in conventionally, but then you are kinda defeating the point because you will never know who you are listening to and you could never really follow a conversation.

 

[jrupp4285]

Jrupp,

I can understand you wanting to use a nice Motorola radio to monitor the system. They make great durable and rugged radios. I own several Motorola radios and they are among my favorites to use (not MPSCS radios). I can especially understand since it was a free radio for you.

But, the problem with trying to program that particular radio to the MPSCS system is that there is no way to make the radio "trunk" and follow talkgroups without affiliating to the system. Which means the radio will transmit and attempt to "connect" to the system wether you have it programmed to do so or not.

It's not like the older Type II systems where you can passively monitor them. For the radio to trunk properly it will transmit and want to connect to the MPSCS system - so your transmitting on the system now.

There is no way to configure that radio for "receive only" unless you want to just program all the frequecnies in conventionally, but then you are kinda defeating the point because you will never know who you are listening to and you could never really follow a conversation.

Thank you for your insite

 

[MetalManMI]

Like I have said, I want nothing to do with the radio's TX abilites or "access" to the MPSCS system. The only thing I'm looking at is if I can take a old radio and turn it into a RX ONLY scanner. Is there anything wrong with that ? I mean radio shack sells them ... Sure the unit has the ability to TX but does that mean it's programed to ? Look at the common cell phone ... You know that that cell phone has ton more features that what you have access to ? The company blocks them off, even when you buy the phone you still can't have access to everything you pay for. Does that mean the cell providers have to "unlock" the phone when you "pay" for it ? If it does I can't see that happening ... Do you kinda unserstand what I'm trying to do ? So don't forward me articals about the AG's office or convicted criminals ! There is no crime in listening, if so this site along with any maker of scanners would be guilty. I thank you for taking the time and reading this.

I thank you for your advise, please know that I want nothing to do with TX abilities of the radio, I'm only looking at the RX (REC AND SCAN).

Can it be done...yes.
Can it be done legally...NO, period.

My MPSCS (department issued/legal) radio transmits immediately after I turn it on, and again every few minutes. When I'm at my house, I hear the RF interference on my computer speakers in the back of the room (thump, thump, thump, thump, thump) every few minutes...when I hear it, I look over at the radio and sure enough, the TX light is blinking. My old (pre-MPSCS) department radio never did that. Also, any time I switch to a different "channel", it immediately transmits my radio's info to the system.

As far as programming a TRS...you will need a system "key" which you cannot legally obtain (it's called a key for a reason...the system is locked to unauthorized access). Even the software you possess is most likely NOT legally licensed by it's owner (when you purchase the software, you are NOT purchasing the software itself...rather, you are purchasing a license to USE the software...no license = illegal use).

All I'm trying to do is awaken you to the fact that you are openly requesting assistance with committing a crime on a public forum...with illegal tools (software). The info that I linked was to make you aware that programming an unauthorized radio onto a system (MPSCS) that you do NOT have permission to access is a crime that is not taken lightly. Don't shoot the messenger!

 

[jrupp4285]

Legal or Illegal, that is the question ...

Is it legal to RX a conversation on the MPSCS ? The answer is yes. Is it legal to buy a radio able to TX/RX and buy the software LEGALY to program that unit ? Again, yes it is. Lastly, is it legal for a person to intentionaly try to "hack" into a TX system ? No, it is not. But the airwaves are owned by the public and there for public has the right to listen into any conversation. It's an ongoing issue, I can respect that. If what I was trying to do was illiagle I wouldn't be trying it. I work to closely with the law and feds. Plus having FCC grants for 800mhz it allowes me to own operate units on my freq.

But needless to say, if what I was trying to do was illigal every scanner able to recieve P25 audio would also be illigal. They tried that, it didn't work.

Thank you, I understand what you are saying. However please look into the true facts and what I am trying to do, there is NOTHING illigal about listening ...

 

[rdale]

Nobody tried to make P25 listening illegal...

What you are trying to do is illegal, because as already mentioned, your radio HAS to transmit on the system to connect. And that transmitting is illegal on MPSCS frequencies.

 

[iMONITOR]

I work to closely with the law and feds. Plus having FCC grants for 800mhz it allowes me to own operate units on my freq.

Why not ask your buddies in law enforcement, or the feds?

 

[RKG]

Nobody tried to make P25 listening illegal...

What you are trying to do is illegal, because as already mentioned, your radio HAS to transmit on the system to connect. And that transmitting is illegal on MPSCS frequencies.

What these folks are trying to tell you (I assume in utter good faith), but which you may not be getting because you don't have the background they may be assuming you have, is this:

With older Motorola trunked portable radios (e.g., MTS2000), it as possible to put the value "None" in the parameter "Affiliation." Doing so pretty much accomplished Receive Only function, and (putting aside any software license issues) was perfectly legal.

For reasons that are not entirely clear, with the XTS series of portables, "None" is no longer a valid value for the "Affiliation" parameter. Rather, that parameter is fixed at "Auto." This means that every time you turn on your radio selected to a trunked system talkgroup, every time you change from one channel to another trunked system talkgroup, and a bunch of other times, your radio will transmit (entirely on its own), sending a data word that contains the SysID, your radio's UserID, the Talkgroup ID on which you are selected, and a request for affiliation. This is where the unlicensed and impermissible transmission comes into play.

It is, in substance, a shortcoming of the XTS line of radios (at least, a "shortcoming" from the perspective of trying to make them into RXO scanners).

Now, a lot of folks who don't do radio for a living aren't aware of what I'm describing to you, and for lack of that awareness, can get themselves into trouble. The responses that apparently offended you were simply trying to warn you of what appeared to be an unrecognized danger.

 

[nsrailfan6130]

jrupp,

"I work to closely with the law and feds."

Your point is what? It's still wrong if you/your dept. doesn't have permission to be on MPSCS.

"Plus having FCC grants for 800mhz it allowes me to own operate units on my freq."

read my question.


Basically what you're saying is that just because you know people and you have the fcc's blessings to run on 800mhz gives you the right to be on MPSCS freqs. None of your statements above mean squat. You gotta go through proper channels to get what you need and want done. Sometimes you do have to sacrifice in order to get what you want. In this case $500 is a small price to pay compared to the court costs that you would be incurring if you got caught. Be patient and go about things the right way. Don't be stupid.

 

[MetalManMI]

Here's some good info, for your "research":
http://www.michigan.gov/ag/0,1607,7-164-34739_34811-106788--,00.html

Here...let's try it this way...a quote from the above State Attorney General's press release:

Werner and Brunk, who were Michigan State Police civilian employees, aided Felde in his efforts to program the radios to access the 800 MHz system by providing him with otherwise unobtainable computer software and templates for the radios so that they would operate on the system.

Now then...let's go back...how did this thread start again...OH YEAH:

I am looking for a SAMPLE template for research. Anyone have a sample template from the MPSCS Radio Programing Unit ? I already have the CSP for motorola.

Thank you,
Jon

WHAT'S THE PROBLEM...RIGHT???

 

[MetalManMI]

Tell you what...call Rich Melbow at (517) 336-6618 and tell him what you're doing and what you need. If you are indeed correct and there's nothing wrong/illegal with your project, he'll hook you up.

Let us know how it works out for you!

 

[Thunderbolt]

It is illegal to use your radio to hack (connect) into the MPSCS, even to receive the trunked radio transmissions without proper authorization. These forums and/or Web site SHALL NOT be used to purport the commission of a felony and therefore, this thread is hereby closed!

73s

Ron