Murrieta fire transition to RivCo PSEC

[Waterboy951]

https://www.murrietaca.gov/DocumentCenter/View/12006/Murrieta-Fire-and-Rescue-Unveils-Cutting-Edge-Radio-System-Enhances-Public-Safety-for-Growing-Community

 

[MEDIC135]

Still trying to figure out if they’ve gone encrypted on PSEC…

 

[AM909]

A casual reader might have thought they built out this 8- or 9-figure system with dozens of sites all by themselves, right up until the end. 🙄

 

[ScanFanEd]

Still trying to figure out if they’ve gone encrypted on PSEC…

I am curious as well. Everything else on PSEC is encrypted, but hopefully not in the case....

 

[MEDIC135]

I am curious as well. Everything else on PSEC is encrypted, but hopefully not in the case....

They’re saying that all FDs in the county are going to the PSEC system. I’ve heard reports that say they will be encrypted but that doesn’t make any sense other than maybe EMS channels but even then there’s no HIIPA info said on any channel. Hopefully they take a look at what OC did and don’t follow suit

 

[OrangePelican]

I doubt all fire departments will be on PSEC any time soon. Riverside County Fire/CalFire does have a few talkgroups on PSEC and they are all encrypted but are only used as commands for areas with known poor VHF coverage. All on scene tac's are still conventional/analog. Currently only the BC's and up and some of the specialty units have a PSEC capable radio and they're portables at that. Each front line apparatus is planned to have a PSEC radio later this year. Unfortunately personally identifying info is given over the radio here pretty frequently so I could see them just staying with the encryption.

Blythe Volunteer Fire also just switched to PSEC at the same time as their PD. I do not know of any other fire agencies who are planning to switch.

 

[Ravenfalls]

County fire has said many years ago, dispatch will move to PSEC. Possible VHF will be kept for fires? Everything else goes on PSEC?

In AZ, all fire departments on the state system are encrypted.

 

[tsalmrsystemtech]

They’re saying that all FDs in the county are going to the PSEC system. I’ve heard reports that say they will be encrypted but that doesn’t make any sense other than maybe EMS channels but even then there’s no HIIPA info said on any channel. Hopefully they take a look at what OC did and don’t follow suit

The whole system is encrypted and will stay that way with anybody coming aboard either LE and FIRE. Not sure what else to say at this point.

Cathederal City is next. Then probably Hemet and so on.

Chipping away slowly like OC and now all of Riverside Co moving forward off of VHF will go to PSEC. It's only going to stiffen up as time goes. It's FIRE now too and when that happens its the end. Sorry to say and its not good news for sure but California is just done. But a lot of states are moving that direction too. Then all radios will be programmed with CRIS accordinly and there you go too with more "TE"

Riverside County FIRE is huge too and if they come aboard its the end. Riverside County falls all within the PSEC trunking sites so why not.

It will just take time and this is your time to get out of the state. Nothing is getting better except the hole is just getting deeper. Everytime I see a post or a new forum popup in the SoCal Basin its never good news anymore. Its just another chip off the piece of lumber and another sliver of wood gone slowly.

Listen to ICI system now. Its almost complete silence. That is the reality when you almost hear silence. Who knows who is next LAPD and LAFD. Why not, NYPD AND FDNY did it. Why not at this point. There is nothing that can be done with the average person helping save what is still left. Its a hopeless battle.

Plus PSEC has been fully encrypted since the old Harris EDACS System was replaced I guess almost 10 years ago. Nobody else coming aboard will be in the clear. This system won't nudge. What the crazy thing is that your own people not that live in those cities or counties but their own fire personal can't listen either from home if they live in the area. Yeah they will get a radio in their jump seat on the job but that's it due to budgets. That's really wild.

 

[tsalmrsystemtech]

I guess you can call media contact above and see but I think we already know the reality of the situtation. This whole thing gets sold on safety and security and that's it. Done deal and decision made. Good Bad or Ugly decisions have issues down the road.

 

[tsalmrsystemtech]

This is what you are going to see next when they go live soon.

Murrieta
DEC	HEX	Mode	Alpha Tag	Description	Tag
550​	226​	DE	MUR PD1	Police Dispatch	Law Dispatch
551​	227​	DE	MUR PD2	Police Ch 2	Law Tac
552​	228​	DE	MUR PD3	Police Ch 3	Law Tac
553​	229​	DE	MUR FIRE DSP	FD Dispatch	Fire Dispatch
554​	230​	DE	MUR FIRE TAC 1	FD Tactical	Fire Tac

 

[MEDIC135]

As of 0900 this morning, I am still hearing MUR on their VHF channel in the clear

 

[Kingscup]

County fire has said many years ago, dispatch will move to PSEC.

Do you have any further info on this as I worked RRU “many years ago” and I never heard this through the grapevine? I still don’t see this happening unless regime changes (fire chief/board of supervisors) want the change. If they wanted the change to PSEC, it would have happened by now.

 

[marcotor]

They’re saying that all FDs in the county are going to the PSEC system. I’ve heard reports that say they will be encrypted but that doesn’t make any sense other than maybe EMS channels but even then there’s no HIIPA info said on any channel. Hopefully they take a look at what OC did and don’t follow suit

Why wouldn't they follow what Orange County did? Aside from us being up in arms about it. OC Fire and Metronet wanted want "exactly what the cops have". And keeping whackers and "buffs" far away from scenes seems to be a compelling reason, no matter how much we have all invested in scanner equipment.

 

[MEDIC135]

Why wouldn't they follow what Orange County did? Aside from us being up in arms about it. OC Fire and Metronet wanted want "exactly what the cops have". And keeping whackers and "buffs" far away from scenes seems to be a compelling reason, no matter how much we have all invested in scanner equipment.

Despite the reasoning and your clear support for encryption, it still doesn’t make sense to me. My opinion that I’m entitled to and you have yours that you’re entitled to as well. No harm, no foul

 

[tsalmrsystemtech]

What I heard and I think I am pretty sure that when Riverside County built out PSEC they wanted this system to be fullly AES-256 bit encrypted systemwide. As to moving forward with FIRE joining this is all new territory and now sure if they will open the door a bit or stay as they have been for the past almost like 10 years now.

I think we all do not know until FIRE agencies slowly join and move over. This is a pretty much a good way logically to think. Either way we are going to get a def answer if they go silent or not. If so, then we will know this is how it will be forever and whoever else joins then we all know

 

[f40ph]

..;. And keeping whackers and "buffs" far away from scenes seems to be a compelling reason, no matter how much we have all invested in scanner equipment.

Not sure how that'll happen when most departments are still pushing out all calls over the PulsePoint app. It's quite possible that non-"E" agencies will have fewer "whackers and buffs" come to the scene because they can listen at home. If they see a call on PulsePoint and can't hear anything - they'll come to the scene more often.

 

[brandon]

I asked the PIO and they confirmed that Murrieta Fire dispatch and operations will be encrypted once they transition to PSEC.

 

[MEDIC135]

Damn…beginning of the end for RVC

 

[tsalmrsystemtech]

Catherdal City FIRE is soon coming down the pipes to PSEC too. Long term California is not a place to live anymore anyways or at least SoCal for sure.

I heard another FIRE agency in Riverside Co is coming soon too. Financial reasons was a big cost cutting measures. The news will eventually come out soon or by the end of the year.

 

[tsalmrsystemtech]

Damn…beginning of the end for RVC

No dis-respect but it was the beginning of the end when the whole county left Harris EDACS and went to Phase II TDMA Motorola years ago now. For FIRE to go this is just another punch for no reason. Can't make any sense of it now.