I concur, not enough of a "game changer" to end up in my collection...
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Mystery new "game changer" coming in 2015 from Baofeng
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I concur, not enough of a "game changer" to end up in my collection...
toastycookies
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Looks like they were waiting on the FCC...
Kermee
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I ordered two of the TERMN-8R's and they arrived today. Been playing with them a bit. If you have any questions, feel free to throw them my way. For anyone who is wondering, there are two FCC ID's on the unit: T4K-8RSERIES and T4K-QZQX3318. Part 95 selection is done upon boot-up (Turn-On) to either 'NORMAL', 'MURS/95J' or 'GMRS/95A' -- The AM seems to work in my area (Seattle) as I can pick up SEA Approach 125.900 MHz on a 'less-than-idea' 2M/70cm Tram 1185 magmount easily.
Part 95A Grant (GMRS) https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/repo...de=&application_id=680375&fcc_id=T4K-8RSERIES
Part 95J Grant (MURS) https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/repo...de=&application_id=627780&fcc_id=T4K-8RSERIES
Part 90 Grant https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/repo...de=&application_id=593484&fcc_id=T4K-QZQX3318
FCC ID T4K-8RSERIES is the one that has both 95A and 95J grants.
Cheers,
Kermee
Part 95A Grant (GMRS) https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/repo...de=&application_id=680375&fcc_id=T4K-8RSERIES
Part 95J Grant (MURS) https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/repo...de=&application_id=627780&fcc_id=T4K-8RSERIES
Part 90 Grant https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/tcb/repo...de=&application_id=593484&fcc_id=T4K-QZQX3318
FCC ID T4K-8RSERIES is the one that has both 95A and 95J grants.
Cheers,
Kermee
rapidcharger
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That part 90 grant was issued to a completely different radio.
Are you saying you have to select whether it is to be a GMRS radio or a MURS radio? It's not actually capable of doing both?
The transceiver initializes and permits the user to select the desired Radio Service.
Once that is selected, the transceiver is "locked down" by firmware to operate by the rules of that service.
MURS - Only five channels, three NB, two WB, less than two watts.
It does the same from I understand for GMRS by the RS rules.
This means that no hanky panky can by done from the front panel to change power or emission type while the transceiver operates by the selected firmware mode for the desired service.
I surmise that the transceiver is substantially identical to the original Part 90 design, but the additional firmware controlled modes are optionally added to the processor mask.
So, by using the previous Part 90 ID, the transceiver operates in accordance with Part 90 rules...LOL
When initialized up in the other modes it is locked down to the Part 95x rules for those services.
It is a chameleon radio!
The whole Part 95 rules need a make over as the technology has overrun the rules years ago.....still it is a disruptive design if it is allowed to operate by License by rule for the MURS and GMRS as well as Part 90.
One could argue that it is a different radio, defined by the firmware mode on boot up.
That is my take on this transceiver, and how they can weasel word the rules for certification.
No FRS as the antenna is removable!
Craig
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Agreed. However, it has the same FCC ID as one of the two FCC ID's stamped on the unit. I realize from the other threads & posts this is causing some controversy as in the legality of a 'single' radio being referenced by multiple FCC ID's.
Looks like kv5e beat me and explained it fairly well. But short answer is you're correct. It requires a 'reboot' (On/Off/On) to switch between GMRS and MURS.
Duh. I forgot that FRS rules state non-removable antennas, hence why FRS frequencies are missing. Thanks.
Cheers,
Kermee
nd5y
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Nobody has reported yet if the firmware prevents you from programming FRS/GMRS/MURS frequencies in memories or VFO in "Normal" mode.
Kermee
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Like the Baofengs, it does not prevent you from programming FRS/GMRS/MURS, etc. in both Memory/Channel mode or VFO while in "Normal" mode.
Cheers,
Kermee
No they have not yet..........but what stops anyone from doing that now other than self control?
The Wouxun models can have the frequency changing locked out in Part 90 mode by a programming software selection, but now that anyone with a internet linked computer can download these ChiCom radios programming software it is a moot point for compliance.
Only the integrity of the programmer persona controls compliance with MURS, GMRS, and Part 90 compliance if the transceiver is capable of being programmed.
Apparently the FCC is not overly concerned with this, but when the new Part 95 rules come out we will see how they deal with technology that is ahead of the regulations and/or licensing by rule.
No hand wringing needed here unless, someone oversteps their self control and does something particularly egregious to licensed services.
Compliance is either done by adherence to the greater good, or by NAL and/or in rem seizure of the radios. With EB budget being cut back drastically which way do you think this will go..........
Craig
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rapidcharger
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Craig- thank you for answering my questions and being a pioneer in testing one of these out.
I'm curious where it shipped from though. Was there a return mailing address on the shipping label?
I'm curious where it shipped from though. Was there a return mailing address on the shipping label?
Actually, I don't have one, but from my sources and experience in OET device certifications this is what I have been able to ascertain.
I am guessing that this "sheltered" model Anytone was funded by a NRE payment, and then branded for sale.
Whomever it is, has made some investment up front to develop this transceiver family and then sell it after importing.
Other folks have done the same, PowerWerx and MTC Radio to name a couple. They contacted the OEM and said :Would you build us a sheltered and branded radio for exclusive sale under our brand?"
It takes a decent commitment to numbers to get the firmware change and then the branding done. Next hurdle is the FCC certification.
Many manufacturers update models for a specific radio service and then apply for a Permissive Change for that model. If the change does not change the original test report much, they may use the previous FCC ID on the updated model. I feel that is what has happened on the Part 90 FCC ID.
Designing a transceiver that is configurable for multiple services is actually pretty straight forward for analog FM in this case. It's just memory configurations and limiting the programmability to the maximum permitted per service....tone.....power.....emission.....frequency.....etc.
I am guessing that we will see some copy cats soon as others try this marketing slant as the next sliced bread.....hot cakes.....snake oil....LOL
I bet the importer has to make certain numbers too......or the exclusivity stops, pants drop, and the price plummets. The US market is nearing saturation for cheap CHICOM analogs, so this is a slant on getting more penetration. (double entendre intended!)
Craig
I have one question:
Is the FHSS feature real FHSS, or is it just another iteration of the psuedo-FHSS seen in previous Anytones where a random freq is selected when the call button is pressed, and is used until the call button is pressed again?
Is the FHSS feature real FHSS, or is it just another iteration of the psuedo-FHSS seen in previous Anytones where a random freq is selected when the call button is pressed, and is used until the call button is pressed again?
It is highly likely the same......to the point of near certainty. I have a pair of the Math Mark radios which spout the same feature. Before testing that feature I took them to the screen room at work and shut the door after firing up the spectrum analyzer.
Key up on a programmed common channel and hit the *HOP* button. The transceiver transmits a MSK burst and then both radios can communicate on the new channel until the button is hit again. That works out OK except they are all over the 400-470 MHz spectrum on each hop.
I am glad I was in the screen room!!!!!!! Transmitted everywhere in that band jumping with each GMSK burst as it was manually asserted by the button. Nice to land on 418.625 or 172.050 and surprise the Feds.
A SLOW HOPPER INDEED. I did not reprogram any frequencies to see if that determined the HOPSET, so I still have work to do.
I did not spend much more time but I guess there is a prearranged HOPSET that is common to both radios and that HOPSET is fixed in the memory mask. There's no more documentation and I did not waste any more time testing.
So, it does hop all over the UHF band (this is the Math Mark unit) and the Anytone is likely the same depending on the band you choose and how the firmware is written to be frequency agile.
Not very secure, but it would be ok against causal interception out in the sticks at a Bug Out Location or your splinter board compound/bunker.
Better off using dPMR radios with frequency tables and a SOI if you are really serious about COMSEC for real cheap.
This is not a poor man's PRC-152 MBITR or JTRS system!!!!
Craig
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w2txb
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Maybe this one will be a SDR; heck, everythng else out there is being called "an SDR". 
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w2txb
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But will it cost only thirty-fi dollah?It has an FM radio and a flashlight LED.
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It calls Mobile Phone....
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I guess no one caught it,but the game changer is Baofengs DMR line of radios, with GPS!
BFDX MT7250 UHF 400-470mhz DMR Mobile Radio |Store | Grapevine Amateur Radio
BFDX MT7250 UHF 400-470mhz DMR Mobile Radio |Store | Grapevine Amateur Radio
but thats not mobile...
BFDX are not Baofengs. 2 different Chinese companies.
Yes, that is a mobile radio.
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