NAC 301 Question ? Plumb Is. NY

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I was just monitoring around today after work alot of NPS busy
usually in holidays they are here, Fire Island (4F9) Sandy Hook NJ.
(N500 , N225) and Statue of Liberty (NE01 ,NE02) and copied Plumb
Island today on 166.5875 my question is why do they use a Customs
NAC (301) for Vessel operation I thought they were Dept. of Agriculture?
just a curiosity question...73,s Marcy
 
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Yes until 9/11, now under the auspices of Homeland Security. I think I told you I grew up in Philly but lived on Long Island about 16 years, Nassau and Suffolk County. Graduated from Long Island University and then St Joseph's University in Brooklyn.

I know they were really big into studying animal livestock disease including foot and mouth disease but we always knew they were doing some pretty heavy duty stuff there LOL.

It's actually a destination spot and it's called Plum Island for the plum colored sand at low tide on their Shores.

My last intensive interest and study was in the seventies, Block Island area was a favorite of mine when I lived in Hauppauge. I understand you're in the Stony Brook area.

Just to note the airport is completely open to radio transmissions and can be found online.

Unfortunately I'm back in Pennsylvania, even though if it wasn't for grandkids I would probably like to move back to East End of Suffolk County.
 

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Whoops I see just got separated into separate posts.
 

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No problem, ok tks that explains it then , I put (Plumb)
I meant Plum Island sorry for typo! yeah was just curious
about the CBP NAC ...tks Bob...73,s Marcy
 

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They have a couple of freqs. they use the one I copied
today was P25/clr for like vessel tfc....NAC301...Marcy
Yeppers I think there's a lot of extensive Communications involved with Plum Island at this point. The best understanding I have is there studying all kinds of animal disease which is highly classified, I'm not sure if you know but bird flu is slowly converting over from animals to humans especially in the Orient. Believe it or not they keep up with this stuff.

Back in the days in the '70s while in college I was a licensed State Bayman on the South Shore and a Clam Digger with all of the Town licenses with my own Garvey on the Great South Bay.

Parents lived in Westhampton Beach, on a canal.

Plum Island was always the source of all kinds of conspiracy theories.

I'll do a little research and see what I can find, brings back a lot of memories, all the radio communication on Long Island has changed since I left in approximately 1985.
 

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I was just monitoring around today after work alot of NPS busy
usually in holidays they are here, Fire Island (4F9) Sandy Hook NJ.
(N500 , N225) and Statue of Liberty (NE01 ,NE02) and copied Plumb
Island today on 166.5875 my question is why do they use a Customs
NAC (301) for Vessel operation I thought they were Dept. of Agriculture?
just a curiosity question...73,s Marcy

As Bob mentioned many agencies migrated to DHS after 9/11 - even USSS left the Treasury Dept

As part of the research done at the Island, some of it was under APHIS (Dept of Agriculture) working with CBP now under DHS
 

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Yeppers I think there's a lot of extensive Communications involved with Plum Island at this point. The best understanding I have is there studying all kinds of animal disease which is highly classified, I'm not sure if you know but bird flu is slowly converting over from animals to humans especially in the Orient. Believe it or not they keep up with this stuff.

Back in the days in the '70s while in college I was a licensed State Bayman on the South Shore and a Clam Digger with all of the Town licenses with my own Garvey on the Great South Bay.

Parents lived in Westhampton Beach, on a canal.

Plum Island was always the source of all kinds of conspiracy theories.

I'll do a little research and see what I can find, brings back a lot of memories, all the radio communication on Long Island has changed since I left in approximately 1985.

The best understanding I have is there studying all kinds of animal disease which is highly classified, I'm not sure if you know but bird flu is slowly converting over from animals to humans especially in the Orient. Believe it or not they keep up with this stuff.

I can believe that a federal government agency is keeping up with the very latest trends in disease transmitted from animal to humans. I'm assuming there are people who have devoted decades and whole careers to this effort. When there is a government shutdown, the most essential of these have to keep working without knowing if this time, they won't get paid. Sometimes pay is delayed, especially if the shutdown is over two weeks (one pay period). All the silliness in the Congress, especially in the House, affects these people greatly. This is just one of thousands of programs that the public doesn't know much about, but exist to guard our health, safety, prohibit labor law violations, take on discriminatory practices, track diseases around the world, regulate aviation and other transportation, investigate transportation accidents, provide assistance to state and local governments, have enough experience to direct efforts to remove that bridge in the Baltimore area to mention just a few. Those agencies depend on people with knowledge, experience and dedication They all grind along, without much credit, but persevere while a bunch of yahoos in the Congress, who don't even want to know all the functions of government, who just want to cloud up the mixture to feed their own egos. There are three "Congressional Representatives" now, who fit this description very well. I won't mention the names of Matt, Lauren and Marjorie, even though I just did. And then there are those who support those people and the disruptions that result.

I went through two or three government shutdowns during my career with the U.S. Forest Service. When I finally got back to work the forest and recreation sites (although in the winter) were trashed, human excrement spread around restrooms, graffiti, and facilities vandalized. They called law enforcement officers "essential" and lower level forest protection officers like myself "non-essential." A two week shutdown meant a month of unpaid overtime every day for me to get things back into shape. Thank God, there weren't shutdowns in the summer or well into spring.

OK, now I will step off my soapbox . . . . .

I imagine the security of the animal laboratories has to be tight, to say the least, given the subjects being studied.
 

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Can't they use any NAC they choose?

:cool: Yes but the NAC/Freq combo does (for us longtime FEDCommers) point to being Legacy CBP combination, which is where I think Marcy was going vs just the NAC alone
Just for fun I did research the latest with the island, they may not be investing any effort or money on improving or expanding communications and just sticking with what they have.

Apparently, whatever research is/was being done there is in the planning stages to be transferred to a larger facility in Manhattan, Kansas.

Plans to sell the island privately for resort use have been thwarted by conservation groups.

Homeland Security and the Department of Energy did use the island to conduct mock simulated cyber attacks on United States electrical grids last year.

It would seem there's various agencies operating there including Newburyport is open and the public is allowed to use the beaches at Sandy Point "New York State Reserve".

Makes me wonder what other communications are going on at the island, that are not in the frequency listings.
 

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I grew up in Orient Point and could see the Plum Island light from my house. Many of my neighbors worked at "the lab." Back then (late50s and early 60s) the Coast Guard manned Plum Island Light Station and I could monitor them on 2662 KHz conducting radio checks and sending weather info to CG Group New London. The marine band was between 2,000 and 3,000 KHz (AM) and 2182 was the primary calling and distress frequency.
 

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I grew up in Orient Point and could see the Plum Island light from my house. Many of my neighbors worked at "the lab." Back then (late50s and early 60s) the Coast Guard manned Plum Island Light Station and I could monitor them on 2662 KHz conducting radio checks and sending weather info to CG Group New London. The marine band was between 2,000 and 3,000 KHz (AM) and 2182 was the primary calling and distress frequency.
Thats pretty cool history there Larry vy interesting ...thanks 73,s Marcy
 

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@Larry51, Just got the notification of the extension of this thread, as previously said I grew up in PA, went to Long Island from 1971 for college and came back to the Philly area in 1985, I was a New York licensed Bayman which is a fancy word for a Clam Digger with Town licenses. I also worked as first mates on fishing vessels out of Captree boat basin.

My parents at that time in the '70s lived in Westhampton Beach on a canal and I was out there all the time. The island was always a mystery and focus of attention.

Great history, hopefully you will see this.
 
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@trentbob, just read your post. As I mentioned previously, all the marine comms were between 2,000 and 3,000 KHz (AM), and the local police and fire departments for the entire east end of Long Island, including Westhampton Beach, operated in the low VHF band, probably around 39 MHz. Plum Island, being government, was most likely operating in the high VHF band. I'm not sure receivers were generally available for high VHF, and as a kid, I certainly couldn't afford one. Thanks for reaching out.
 

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@trentbob, just read your post. As I mentioned previously, all the marine comms were between 2,000 and 3,000 KHz (AM), and the local police and fire departments for the entire east end of Long Island, including Westhampton Beach, operated in the low VHF band, probably around 39 MHz. Plum Island, being government, was most likely operating in the high VHF band. I'm not sure receivers were generally available for high VHF, and as a kid, I certainly couldn't afford one. Thanks for reaching out.
@Larry51 Yes, nice hearing from you and yes, I remember when the East End police were all on 39.XX except for Riverhead which was VHF High and I remember Suffolk County police being on the VHF High repeater system, loved it. Fire was on 46.XX

I also remember when marine radio was as you described, used to make phone calls with the Marine operator, of course we were licensed then for marine radio WM6934 and I remember when the switch came to VHF High marine radio.

I know more about Plum Island now and understand it better than I did when I lived on the South Shore, even though I was a professional licensed clam digger and commercial fisherman there was so much mystery that clouded Plum Island, we didn't have the resources that we do now like cell phones, computers and such. Not many people knew and those who did, didn't talk about it, LOL.

As far as the federal frequencies that were used on the island they were never in the listings as that's all we had was crb research and such, it was tunable monitors and crystal controlled radios then of course.

My Regards.. Bob.
 

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They are not on often but finally got Plum Is. Fire this morning 162.3125
N064 RID 582 P25 enc. was vy active just do not get them much just the vessel
tfc 166.5875 ...guess they are all still operational out there? .. prop condx vy
gud today...73,s Marcy
 

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I spoke to my brother (ex-fire chief of Orient VFD) who lives out there. He reassured me that Plum Island lab is still very much active doing agricultural "research" and as such employ a lot of his friends and neighbors. He said the employees that work out there include science personnel, as well as maintenance, housekeeping, boat upkeep workers, etc. The Plum Island ferry takes the employees from a secure parking lot and dock on the south side of Orient Point over to the island.

When I was a kid growing up in Orient Point, we could ride our bikes through that parking lot, and no one gave us any grief about it. Back then the lab publicly acknowledged working on diseases like hoof-and-mouth, which they did. But the locals knew they worked on other stuff as well.
 
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