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The other day, I came across some traffic on 463.0125 from South Central (New Haven) CMED with a DPL of 047. The traffic consisted of a tone and CMED notifying Milford Hospital that a unit was calling in for a patch. As soon as Milford Hospital picked up, traffic could be heard on 463.0125 and Med 8 for the normal patch as well. Seems to be much lower power than Med 8. If anyone else lives near one of the other hospitals in the area that South Central covers, check the narrow med freqs for activity.
 

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This actually might be the portable radio frequency used at Milford Hospital in house for the med radio they hae. If it is, it should be the same set up as Yale and St. Ray's both use. They do have a "hard wire" style radio as well. Unfortunately I am no longer with C-MED so this information could be wrong. I could check with someone who still works there how thier set up is.
 

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The other day, I came across some traffic on 463.0125 from South Central (New Haven) CMED with a DPL of 047. The traffic consisted of a tone and CMED notifying Milford Hospital that a unit was calling in for a patch. As soon as Milford Hospital picked up, traffic could be heard on 463.0125 and Med 8 for the normal patch as well. Seems to be much lower power than Med 8. If anyone else lives near one of the other hospitals in the area that South Central covers, check the narrow med freqs for activity.

Scott, could you post those narrow band freqs. please? I have a hard time finding them.

Manny
 

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463.0125 - Med 1-2
463.0375 - Med 2-2
463.0625 - Med 3-2
463.0875 - Med 4-2
463.1125 - Med 5-2
463.1375 - Med 6-2
463.1625 - Med 7-2
463.1875 - Med 8-2
462.9625 - Med 9-2
462.9875 - Med 10-2

I am pretty sure the channel names are spoken as "Med one-two" or "Med ten-two" for example. That is, if anyone uses the names depending on what these are used for in a particular region.

I think there are also designations for 6.25 KHz channels such as 463.00625 which would be "Med 1-3 (Med one-three)". I doubt these would be in use anywhere yet, but I saw them listed in some federal interoperability document. I don't recall if they were just intended for telemetry.
 
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Great!

Thanks!
I could not find even a hint of these anywhere. I also noticed something that doesnt jive here. If the frequency for med 8-2 is 463.1875 then why were you hearing the regular med 8 patch as stated on your OP but also on the med 1-2 frequency
of 463.0125? Again, Im just trying to understand things here.

Manny
 
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There are some more, as well in the WIKI
and it specifies which ones are Telemetry.


463.0125 - Med 1-2
463.0375 - Med 2-2
463.0625 - Med 3-2
463.0875 - Med 4-2
463.1125 - Med 5-2
463.1375 - Med 6-2
463.1625 - Med 7-2
463.1875 - Med 8-2
462.9625 - Med 9-2
462.9875 - Med 10-2

I am pretty sure the channel names are spoken as "Med one-two" or "Med ten-two" for example. That is, if anyone uses the names depending on what these are used for in a particular region.

I think there are also designations for 6.25 KHz channels such as 463.00625 which would be "Med 1-3 (Med one-three)". I doubt these would be in use anywhere yet, but I saw them listed in some federal interoperability document. I don't recall if they were just intended for telemetry.
 

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OK so what areas or cities are using all these extra channels? is there enough traffic on therm to put them in the scanner?
 

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Thanks!
I could not find even a hint of these anywhere. I also noticed something that doesnt jive here. If the frequency for med 8-2 is 463.1875 then why were you hearing the regular med 8 patch as stated on your OP but also on the med 1-2 frequency
of 463.0125? Again, Im just trying to understand things here.

Manny


Basically, it seems that the 2 freqs are linked. So far the only narrow freq I have heard anything on is 463.0125

463.0125 could be a direct link between whichever repeater site they use for Med-8 and the hospital.

I have no idea really. It's not like anyone would be missing anything not listening to it, the only thing different I have heard is that you can hear CMED tell tell the hospital that a unit is on the line waiting to patch.
 

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Hmmm!

Definitely needs some looking into. I remember when I lived in Stratford near the BPT line close to BPT. Hospital. I could hear Southwest Cmed tell the hospital that ***** was standing by and what priority. However, this was heard on the 463.XXX side of the conversation. As you know, with them you need both the 463 AND the 468 sides to hear anything and thats only if you are close. Then after a while I stopped hearing them call the hospital, they would just appear and say "BPT is on go ahead" and I switched to the 468 side and hope to hear something. Very interesting. We have to get a group of us and try and figure this one out. I programmed all the freqs. on my pro-163 which is my spare scanner for just such a project.
So far I get a LOT of bleed over from med 10. I live about 1 nautical mile from the west rock tunnel where I believe there is a repeater.
 

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Definitely needs some looking into. I remember when I lived in Stratford near the BPT line close to BPT. Hospital. I could hear Southwest Cmed tell the hospital that ***** was standing by and what priority. However, this was heard on the 463.XXX side of the conversation. As you know, with them you need both the 463 AND the 468 sides to hear anything and thats only if you are close. Then after a while I stopped hearing them call the hospital, they would just appear and say "BPT is on go ahead" and I switched to the 468 side and hope to hear something. Very interesting. We have to get a group of us and try and figure this one out. I programmed all the freqs. on my pro-163 which is my spare scanner for just such a project.
So far I get a LOT of bleed over from med 10. I live about 1 nautical mile from the west rock tunnel where I believe there is a repeater.

I'm not familiar with the 163, but if you can set it to NFM, that would be your best bet to cut some of the adjacent stuff. I would say it's a safe bet that if they use any of the other narrow channels for a similar purpose they all use the 047 DPL, so if it gets really annoying, throw that on.
 

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Well, there goes that idea! The 163 will NOT allow me to change modes. So, I will turn to my other back up radio that WILL let me do that. My BC-785. It didnt even click about the NFM until you said that.
Thank God for radio programming software I'lll tell you that much.

Manny
 
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Was fishing up at the Quillinan Reservoir in Ansonia today and heard what could be a similar setup for Griffin Hospital. I missed the beginning of the traffic and the unit numbers, so I'm not certain about it. Either way, it was Med 3-2 (463.0625, DPL 025). I suppose I was wrong about using the same DPL.
 

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I'm still trying to get some information for you all since I worked at C-MED New Haven. I know on MEDs 1 to 8 they were using a control station back up set up in conjunction to the phone lines to each site. Also only certain towers have repeaters for certain MED channels (i.e. Med 8 tower in West Haven is repeated by but the MED 8 tower in Milford is not). This is done for obvious reasons. The last I know they were not using the narrow bands at all after I left full time (the second time) so it could be bleed over or over powering the front end of receivers, however I am uncertain if they started using them but I don't think they did. I haven't been gone for too long but at the same time I haven't been listening.

For those who don't know the tower set up, it is laid out like this: (R= repeater)

NEW HAVEN - West Rock - MED 10 (R), MED 4 (R), MED 7 (7)
NEW HAVEN - East Rock - MED 6 (R)
VALLEY - MED 10, MED 1 (R), MED 6
SHORE - MED 10, MED 2 (R), MED 5
MERIDEN - MED 10, MED 3(R), MED 14 (not active but was the dispatch for quite awhile before MED 10 was once again used at the "north’s" primary)
COOK HILL - MED 5
WEST HAVEN - MED 8 (R)
ELLS HILL - MED 8
All the repeaters can be left on or "dropped" from the consoles, just like FDNY does.

New Haven did not use MED 9, MED 11, MED 12 & MED 13 for medical traffic but were later re-assigned for special use with the interops. MED 9 wasn't used because of Valley Shore and South West and MED 14 was originally used because North West would stop all over the Meriden and Wallingford unit and those coming in from Cheshire, Southington, ect.

As for patching to the hospital, we have a matrix system, which is still in use and utilizes phone lines. You would "program" the computer to hook up the MED channel radio to the hospital circuit and then hook in the patch intercom from C-MED to the Hospital. When C-MED tones out to the hospital, you do not hear it transmit over the radio, it goes direct tot he hospital, kind of like station paging. However sometimes we used to forget (and still sometimes do) to switch over the radio selector from the MED radio tower and when we drop the tone you will then it over the radio obviously. We can "drop" the repeaters in case the information is sensitive and should not be re-transmitted over the air. Obviously if you had the other side.................well you know what I mean then. With this matrix we have the ability to hook up any hospital to any MED channel. Example would be for some one in Madison who wanted to go to Griffin in Derby; well we would hook up Griffin's hospital radio to the MED 2 tower on the Shoreline, hook the patch line in and wahlah! Instant communication between the two sites that are 30 miles apart, crystal clear to the rig on scene.

I will try again to ask my former co-workers / friends if they are using the new channels.
 
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Very interesting!

I dont know about everyone else, but I have learned something new today and I thank you for posting it. I look foward to what ever else you find out and post. Just curious though, do you happen to know approximately where in the valley and on the shore the repeaters are?

Thanks.

Manny
 
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Hey All,

I spoke with one of my former co-workers yesterday and here is the scoop. C-MED New Haven is not transmitting on the "new split channels" but they are licensed for them under the call sign WNNB403.

C-MED New Haven (South Central Regional Emergency Communications System) has 4 licenses: WNNB403 (all MED channels including the new splits), KGZ284 (the original license with MEDs 1-10), WPVA308 (MED NET) & WPFB448 (MEDs 11-14). They also have another license for the South Central Intercity on 154.295 under KCE357 (I believe cant' find it on the FCC right now).

Now looking at the way the splits are and having seen how close they are to the actual med channels, its making me believe that this is bleed over. The splits under WNNB403 are listed on both sides (463 & 468) as 2.0 watts and mobile designations. The only other thing I can think of is that they could be used for the back up radios (off the phone lines) as low power remote links to a specific MED channel from the hospital to the tower. Now looking at hearing something on 463.0125 and the same over MED 8 (463.1750) this would make sense since both frequencies are far enough away from each other to prevent over modulation and bleed over. My friend has no knowledge of this however of being used as the dispatchers and the supervisors would have this information. I'll see if I can find more information on this.

C-MED New Haven does currently use the set up I had described in my previous post.
 
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The original MEDs 11-14 are as follows:

11 = 453 / 458 .0250
12 = 453 / 458 .0750
13 = 453 / 458 .1250
14 = 453 / 458 .1750

This is different from what the WIKI has as they listed in the last statement. many areas still use these frequencies for dispatch for their C-MEDs but I believe most of them are being used for coordination.
 

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Hey All,

I spoke with one of my former co-workers yesterday and here is the scoop. C-MED New Haven is not transmitting on the "new split channels" but they are licensed for them under the call sign WNNB403.

C-MED New Haven (South Central Regional Emergency Communications System) has 4 licenses: WNNB403 (all MED channels including the new splits), KGZ284 (the original license with MEDs 1-10), WPVA308 (MED NET) & WPFB448 (MEDs 11-14). They also have another license for the South Central Intercity on 154.295 under KCE357 (I believe cant' find it on the FCC right now).

Now looking at the way the splits are and having seen how close they are to the actual med channels, its making me believe that this is bleed over. The splits under WNNB403 are listed on both sides (463 & 468) as 2.0 watts and mobile designations. The only other thing I can think of is that they could be used for the back up radios (off the phone lines) as low power remote links to a specific MED channel from the hospital to the tower. Now looking at hearing something on 463.0125 and the same over MED 8 (463.1750) this would make sense since both frequencies are far enough away from each other to prevent over modulation and bleed over. My friend has no knowledge of this however of being used as the dispatchers and the supervisors would have this information. I'll see if I can find more information on this.

C-MED New Haven does currently use the set up I had described in my previous post.

It's definitely not bleed over. On the narrow channel I hear a tone and then the CMED dispatcher comes on to notify the hospital that a unit is calling. As soon as the hospital says "go ahead", the traffic can be heard on both frequencies. The narrow channels definitely seem to be at a much lower power. It makes sense that it's a link between CMED and the repeater site even though the licenses don't necessarily reflect that use.
 

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It's definitely not bleed over. On the narrow channel I hear a tone and then the CMED dispatcher comes on to notify the hospital that a unit is calling. As soon as the hospital says "go ahead", the traffic can be heard on both frequencies. The narrow channels definitely seem to be at a much lower power. It makes sense that it's a link between CMED and the repeater site even though the licenses don't necessarily reflect that use.

I know for a fact and have confirmed that this is not a link between the C-MED office in downtown New Haven to the towers. This would not be possible as the location of thier building is block on several sides by the the high rises downtown. The only unblocked line-of-site they have is East Rock and also their back up is just an omni directional antenna on top of the building they are located in connected to a base radio with the channels programed into it.

I suspect this more to be a line of site uplink from the hospital to the closest MED tower instead. As for why you are hearing the "paging" tone, you really shouldn't since the tones are sent over a patch intercom tel-co line. Unless the narrowband transmitter is activaed somehow by the remote link. It is interesting though and hopefully I'll have an answer soon.
 
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