NAS with APX7000

[Dfwlistener]

I got a good deal on an APX7000 and I decided to pull the trigger to make it a very expensive scanner.

Now before jumping at my throat I am a novice with digital. In the past I have programmed analog radios and I can tell that it's basically two different worlds.

That being said I am becoming familiar every day more with the way the system is designed and works (consider that I come from Europe, they have Tetra over there but I never looked into it).

Anyway back to the radio. I followed the only guide available on YouTube on how to program that radio but despite me following every single step I am not able to listen to what I want. What I did I singled out one Talkgroup specifically and I put that in a scanning channel as indicated in the video.

I even went one step further (after failing) and put all the frequencies in the list and not just the control ones.

When I turn the radio on it shows the two red lightning looking for signal and then nothing else. The screen turns white with the clock and the name of the scanning list. When the department transmits the radio sees nothing.

Once again in trunking personalities I made sure to indicate the frequencies and the number of the Talkgroup.

I know you have no idea how I have set up the code plug but... Is it something obvious or logic that I am doing wrong?

 

[GTR8000]

When I turn the radio on it shows the two red lightning looking for signal and then nothing else.

Yeah, uh...that ain't "looking for signal", that's the radio transmitting and trying to register/affiliate.

Please stop what you're doing immediately until you either a) figure out the correct way to program a radio to passively scan or b) stick with a scanner

 

[K9KLC]

stick with a scanner

This, absolutely this before he gets someone hurt, or worse.

 

[Dfwlistener]

Yeah, uh...that ain't "looking for signal", that's the radio transmitting and trying to register/affiliate.

Please stop what you're doing immediately until you either a) figure out the correct way to program a radio to passively scan or b) stick with a scanner

I was afraid that it could be the case, yet I disabled every "transmit" option I could find (once again as instructed in the video).
Clearly I stopped but I can I figure out the correct way if the ones more knowledgeable than me refuse to share?
Why is the radio trying to affiliate to the system?

 

[Dfwlistener]

This, absolutely this before he gets someone hurt, or worse.

👎

 

[K2NEC]

I was afraid that it could be the case, yet I disabled every "transmit" option I could find (once again as instructed in the video).

There is no way to "disable" transmitting on trunking. The radio is literally going to try to every time unless it's done exactly right.

Clearly I stopped but I can I figure out the correct way if the ones more knowledgeable than me refuse to share?

Because there's plenty of resources online available that explain not only how to do it properly, but the how and why to how trunking works. There's also plenty of resources explaining that NAS isn't something someone should be attempting if they don't know what they are doing, and scanners are much better at trunking scanning.

Why is the radio trying to affiliate to the system?

Because you don't know what you are doing and the radio is trying to do what it is intended to do.

 

[kayn1n32008]

Why is the radio trying to affiliate to the system?

When you turn on a P25 subscribers, it automatically looks for a control channel of the system you have programmed, when it finds one, it tries to register and then it affiliates to the selected talkgroup. This happens regardless.

FYI, what you are doing is, at a minimum, a willfull violation of FCC rules and regulations, and, depending on jurisdiction, a felony. Every time time radio transmits. Consequences from the FCC: tens of thousands of dollars in fines PER TRANSMISSION. Consequences from the state? Criminal record and/or jail time.

 

[K2NEC]

Any TXWARN admins here that got an affiliation attempt from RID1234?

 

[kayn1n32008]

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You are trespassing on a government radio system. What do you expect people to say?

Also, Texas has a state wide RID numbering system. Your rogue radio is going to stick out like a sore thumb in the system logs. Logs that You do t ha e access to, that so every single transmission received from your rogue radio. You come onto a public forum and start talking about doing it, and admitting to it.

 

[EAFrizzle]

Man, I play faster and looser with the rules than most people here, and fiddling with NAS on a trunked subscriber is something I absolutely will not mess with. There's way too many problems to be caused, aside from getting your radio bricked.

Stick with your SDS100.

 

[K2NEC]

There's way too many problems to be caused, aside from getting your radio bricked.

Quite frankly he's lucky it isn't already bricked, but I'm willing to wager that RID is going to have a passive inhibit by morning.

 

[KevinC]

Any TXWARN admins here that got an affiliation attempt from RID1234?

Past posts are DFW area, so I’d suspect NTIRN.

 

[Dfwlistener]

I was afraid of the bad comments here but instead this is turning into so much fun, almost more than learning the programming process 😂.
I gotta give it to you, digging in my old posts to figure out what system my radio is trying to affiliate to instead of explaining how to avoid the issue... I mean some of you are so sadly lame 😂.
I mean I understand that you know your radio hobby so much and when somebody asks you a question that challenges legality puts a lot of keyboard warriors on high alert but I believe you are missing the point.

I never asked you how to break the law, I asked exactly the opposite! However if your wet fantasy is somebody like me who is trying to get a little deeper in the hobby getting his newly obtained radio bricked, killed and/or receiving a visit from the feds... Well sure, whatever floats your boat.

In the meantime I am appreciative for the very little things I learned from the first responses.

 

[K2NEC]

I never asked you how to break the law

We know, instead you just went and did it

However if your wet fantasy is somebody like me who is trying to get a little deeper in the hobby getting his newly obtained radio bricked, killed and/or receiving a visit from the feds...

There's plenty of articles, posts, threads, etc. even ones that are step-by-step on how to properly NAS. You choose to not follow a single one of them, so this is what happens. Additionally, since you don't want to heed to warnings, there's plenty of articles about people being raided by agencies and having their radios taken away.

In the meantime I am appreciative for the very little things I learned from the first responses.

If you take away one thing and nothing else:

Please stop what you're doing immediately until you either a) figure out the correct way to program a radio to passively scan or b) stick with a scanner

 

[Dfwlistener]

We know, instead you just went and did it

There's plenty of articles, posts, threads, etc. even ones that are step-by-step on how to properly NAS. You choose to not follow a single one of them, so this is what happens. Additionally, since you don't want to heed to warnings, there's plenty of articles about people being raided by agencies and having their radios taken away.

If you take away one thing and nothing else:

I disagree with you sir.
It's disappointing to see you assumed the worst of me. If you bother to read the first message I clearly stated that I followed the only guide I found about APX.
I googled about it and while there are other guides they seem to differ from this particular model.

You can show me better guides if you know any. If you really think I should learn more about it why not making it sure I learn the right stuff?
Because your pride won't allow it, you're in too deep now. Are you not?

 

[kayn1n32008]

I gotta give it to you, digging in my old posts to figure out what system my radio is trying to affiliate to instead of explaining how to avoid the issue...

I mean, what do you expect, you came on here and admitted you are trespassing on a government computer network.

I mean some of you are so sadly lame 😂.

Lmfao.

I mean I understand that you know your radio hobby so much and when somebody asks you a question that challenges legality puts a lot of keyboard warriors on high alert but I believe you are missing the point.

I think you are missing the point.

I never asked you how to break the law,

Nope, you sure didn't. In fact you did the opposite, you broke the law, then admitted to it on a public forum.

However if your wet fantasy is somebody like me who is trying to get a little deeper in the hobby getting his newly obtained radio bricked, killed and/or receiving a visit from the feds... Well sure, whatever floats your boat.

Lol

In the meantime I am appreciative for the very little things I learned from the first responses.

Are you? I mean you thumbs down people giving you the best advice for your situation.

It's clear you can't follow NAS instructions.

 

[nikronzo]

I disagree with you sir.
It's disappointing to see you assumed the worst of me. If you bother to read the first message I clearly stated that I followed the only guide I found about APX.
I googled about it and while there are other guides they seem to differ from this particular model.

You can show me better guides if you know any. If you really think I should learn more about it why not making it sure I learn the right stuff?
Because your pride won't allow it, you're in too deep now. Are you not?

No matter what your personal opinion is, the fact remains you are committing a crime and could be putting first responder lives at risk by transmitting on a life safety system that you do not have permission or legal access too.
The best advice you can get is to shut the hell up, turn off the radio, and stop arguing with people about this.

 

[buddrousa]

They can and will find you and we will read about you in the news.

 

[mmckenna]

I never asked you how to break the law, I asked exactly the opposite! However if your wet fantasy is somebody like me who is trying to get a little deeper in the hobby getting his newly obtained radio bricked, killed and/or receiving a visit from the feds... Well sure, whatever floats your boat.

You might want to slow down a little. You admitted you were new to this, and then and made the one mistake you are not supposed to make.

If you don't believe them when they say people get busted for this, maybe you'll believe the FCC:

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-389269A1.pdf

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-410850A1.pdf

There are several of us on this site that run trunked systems and are trying to help you not make a dangerous mistake. The radio affiliating can take resources away from legitimate users and that can be a safety risk. The agency that runs the radio system and the FCC will not take it kindly.

You may find someone that will help you, but you are also going to take a lot of flack from people that want to make sure you don't hurt someone. Most of us will very specifically NOT help someone do this because it is dangerous, and if not done exactly right, illegal. Most of us are smart enough to not be party to something that is illegal.

 

[K2NEC]

You also could have done what the OP did in this thread...asked for help before full-sending a codeplug

APX - APX6000 NAS

Ok, I have an APX6000. I'm trying to set it up for NAS. Is it true that I don’t need a key for a phase 1 FDMA system? Also, when I program it, is there anyone who can review the code plug before I use it? I want to avoid ending up with a worthless device.

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