Nazi Police in the Northeast

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Why are the police officers in the Northeastern US required to wear "Nazi Uniforms"?????? I am a disabled veteran and I think it is an embarrassment to the USA that they wear those "Hitler style" boots to their knees and that dumb looking leather strap across their chests. As a disabled veteran I think it's inappropriate. They should wear uniforms similar to the rest of the "Free World" and give up the communistic look. I've noticed it's prevalent in New Jersey, Massachusetts and Rhode Island. I don't know what other states wear them, but the HITLER look is out and it's time to get rid of the communist apparel. All they need is a swastika on their arms and you've got 'cha a full-blown Nazi Stormtrooper. IT'S SICKENING!!!!!!
 

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Oh boy...I can see this thread going great places.

I'll leave the sardonic irony of calling it both "Nazi" and "Communist" to the side, methinks.
 

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hehe, most of those uniform traditions existed before 1933. I also prefer those "nazi" uniforms over a faded polo and 511 tactical pants a lot of departments allow now days.
 

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hehe, most of those uniform traditions existed before 1933. I also prefer those "nazi" uniforms over a faded polo and 511 tactical pants a lot of departments allow now days.
Agreed. I'm sure our OP is aware that many of our military uniforms throughout history also had this look. Immediately coming to mind are some leaders in early U.S. military aviation, who wore these sort of "Nazi/Communist" uniforms.

Hap Arnold in OMG!~ NAZI UNIFORM!

Eddie Rickenbacker in the same.

William "Billy" Mitchell in similar with flight goggles and cap.

AirportTek, I can see your argument. They are indeed reminiscent of some rather unsavory historical uniforms. However, given that they're as much a part of our history as they are of Nazism/Communism (pick one...the two have traditionally been incongruent with each other), I don't think that changing them is necessary or even appropriate.
 
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I don't know if I'd call the uniforms "Nazi" (and BTW Nazi and Communist ARE NOT THE SAME. Recall that Hitler's National Socialist [NAZI] state tried to destroy Stalin's Communist one [competition I guess]).

If you look at photos (not just military) from the 30's, you'll see many departments wearing a similar type uniform.

The belt is called a 'Sam Brown' (definitely a good strong Aryan name). Perhaps the departments are loath to break with tradition and update their uniforms. Nothing wrong with a bit of tradition.

From a personal perspective though, I wouldn't want to be in a foot pursuit in those boots.
 

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Not sure what provoked that outburst but I've only seen the NJSP in person. Their uniforms are certainly different than what I ws used to in California. The one thing that stuck in my mind was that Sam Browne strap across their chest. That's the last thing I'd want hanging off me if I was in a fight with a suspect.
 

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Just a curiosity

I did not mean this post to be a flame or anything like that, I just don't understand. BTW to LEH your comment,

"From a personal perspective though, I wouldn't want to be in a foot pursuit in those boots."

I agree 100%...

I suppose I could have worded the post differently, but I don't know, just curious why they'd wear something that could possibly be disturbing to a WW2 veteran. I'd like to know the history of this type of uniform, 1933 ???? Sam Brown ??? Sometimes the past should be preserved in some way. Apparently according to replies on my post this type uniform has been in use for some time. But especially after WW2 it just seems to me that "Some things in the past, are better left behind".
 

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LEH said:
I don't know if I'd call the uniforms "Nazi" (and BTW Nazi and Communist ARE NOT THE SAME. Recall that Hitler's National Socialist [NAZI] state tried to destroy Stalin's Communist one [competition I guess]).

If you look at photos (not just military) from the 30's, you'll see many departments wearing a similar type uniform.

The belt is called a 'Sam Brown' (definitely a good strong Aryan name). Perhaps the departments are loath to break with tradition and update their uniforms. Nothing wrong with a bit of tradition.

From a personal perspective though, I wouldn't want to be in a foot pursuit in those boots.
Agreed on all points. The military uniforms from our aviation pioneers is what came to mind first, and given the names I mentioned, I thought it might provide a nice example.
 

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AirportTek said:
I did not mean this post to be a flame or anything like that, I just don't understand. BTW to LEH your comment,

"From a personal perspective though, I wouldn't want to be in a foot pursuit in those boots."

I agree 100%...

I suppose I could have worded the post differently, but I don't know, just curious why they'd wear something that could possibly be disturbing to a WW2 veteran. I'd like to know the history of this type of uniform, 1933 ???? Sam Brown ??? Sometimes the past should be preserved in some way. Apparently according to replies on my post this type uniform has been in use for some time. But especially after WW2 it just seems to me that "Some things in the past, are better left behind".
It seems you're placing a lot more emphasis on this uniform being "Nazi" than is necessary. Judging by the responses in this thread, there are very few who relate this particular uniform style ONLY to Nazism. Forgive me for being brash, but I feel that's just very shortsighted and narrowminded. Does everyone that wears that type of headgear (the very common "bus driver" hat) also conjur up images of Nazism and/or (mostly the or) Communism? How about wearing ties with uniforms (Hitler often wore a longneck tie with his military uniform)? It just seems that you're taking small details that have a historic tradition in many places and connecting them too much to a couple of historical groups who also used them. I'm sure that there are for more groups we regard in a positive light using this sort of uniform than there are historical negative groups that used them.
 

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One Big Difference

Even though the military, and others have worn similar uniforms in the past, they moved on and don't anymore. Does anyone still have an 8 track tape player in their car????? Besides that speaking of radio, I restore antique radios, and radios (the high line ones) made in the 1930's and 1940's had a police band on them, but the people who wear these "traditional uniforms" are encrypting and trying to keep us from using our scanners. So what's the difference????
 

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I fail to see how encryption should influence uniforms worn.

And in the defense of these departments, if it's their tradition, and that tradition was founded upon good principles and practices, why should they have to change because a particular historical group did bad things in similar uniforms? I'm not associating them with negative things, I imagine that the persons wearing those uniforms aren't associating them with negative things, and I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of people who see them aren't associating them with Nazism/Communism.

This seems like a personal problem on your part.

EDIT: That last lines, upon further reflection, seems a bit brash. No disrespect was intended, so I hope none was taken.
 
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Time to change

Ok, encryption and uniforms have nothing to do with each other, other than CHANGE, which it is definitely time for with those silly looking uniforms. Austin4Wyo, this is just a curiosity thing, I don't have a problem with you or their silly looking uniforms, I just get a good laugh out of them. And wouldn't wear one no matter how much they paid me. Since I repair and program police radios, I don't have to wear a uniform. But don't tell me I have a problem, It's just a curiosity thing for me.



"Way past the norm, still misbehavin' finger in the air and the flag's still waving"
 

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Your previous statements were pretty strong. Curiosity doesn't seem to be what it was. Either way, you don't understand why they'd wear them, I don't understand why you're placing so much emphasis on them looking Nazi/Communist despite several mentions and demonstrable evidence that they predate Nazism and that there are plenty of positive examples of this sort of uniform, both historical and current. I suppose we're at an impasse.

I'd be interested in hearing what someone who actually wears these uniforms has to say. Somehow, I imagine they have a bit of pride in putting them on every day if it involves tradition and honor within their agency (even if those boots are highly impractical). I imagine they'd also have a polite word or two about them being akin to Nazi uniforms. Maybe one of them will weigh in soon.

As far as you not wearing them no matter what they paid, that's noble in its simplicity, but again, it strikes me as pretty narrowminded and shortsighted. If you care only to associate these uniforms with groups who have done bad things in the world, that's your prerogative, and we can't change that. However, some of us are willing to look past certain groups and embrace the positive side rather than setting off to only note the negative.

EDIT: Yes, encryption means change. However, encryption is change via percieved pragmatism. Changing uniforms simply because they look "Nazi" seems be a rather...well, shortsighted and narrow thing to do.
 
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I had read a news story a couple weeks ago that mentioned this. It's becoming a trend in an effort to intimidate young people into fearing/respecting law enforcement officers and their authority. I'm not certain how effective it will be when confronting "real" hard-asses. But I suppose it's better than them wearing the uniform from the ice cream truck.
 
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GreatLakes said:
I had read a news story a couple weeks ago that mentioned this. It's becoming a trend in an effort to intimidate young people into fearing/respecting law enforcement officers and their authority. I'm not certain how effective it will be when confronting "real" hard-asses. But I supposed it's better than them wearing the uniform from the ice cream truck.
Can they use ice cream truck music instead of sirens? :D

In all seriousness, I gotta question how much that article did their research. I'm willing to bet that many of these departments have been wearing this style of uniform for many, many years, regardless of whether it intimidates youth or not.
 

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Someone forgot Her/His Med's this morning, didn't they.

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Why are the police officers in the Northeastern US required to wear "Nazi Uniforms"?????? I am a disabled veteran and I think it is an embarrassment to the USA that they wear those "Hitler style" boots to their knees and that dumb looking leather strap across their chests. As a disabled veteran I think it's inappropriate. They should wear uniforms similar to the rest of the "Free World" and give up the communistic look. I've noticed it's prevalent in New Jersey, Massachusetts and Rhode Island. I don't know what other states wear them, but the HITLER look is out and it's time to get rid of the communist apparel. All they need is a swastika on their arms and you've got 'cha a full-blown Nazi Stormtrooper. IT'S SICKENING!!!!!!
 

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Isn't it just riding attire, as in (cavalry...horses...etc.) similar to something Patton wore?
 
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