Nevada Statewide Radio System - News and discoveries

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I posted this information in the Nevada Roll Call thread:
The State has seemingly abandoned, for the lack of a better term, the statewide EDACS. I just travelled across the state and found most listed freqs inactive or completely wrong (CC) freqs or order, but with nothing being broadcast. I even watched an NHP officer come up from behind and pull someone over. I had a full minute of time in which there should have been activity on the NSRS site I was currently monitoring and nothing. I saw him speak into the mic and still nothing. I am currently picking up NHP on 154 MHZ which is simulcast here on Washoe Countys EDACS. Even when the NSRS appeared to be working the only real traffic was the 753 talkgroup which is Reno NHP simulcasts on the Washoe County EDACS even though I was 400 miles aways from Reno. With that in mind I should be able to monitor NHP in Las Vegas from Reno or anywhere else in the state for that matter. The statewide radio system is apparently not working as planned and even though there seems to be everything in place the agencies are not using it. I have some strings I can pull at the State so maybe I can get some answers but I fear that a bonafide answer still eludes even the state at this point.

When the freqs and system is known, you will find the correct frequencies here at the Radio Reference Database.
What I'd like to do is list what news or discoveries regarding the NSRS you find in this thread so we can all keep abreast of what is happening.

So far the only areas where there seems to be activity on the NSRS is what is shared on the Washoe County EDACS system. The other seemingly operational sites are only carrying NHP Reno traffic. I did have some traffic on talkgroups that were apparently NDOT Roads while near the Currie site but there was no traffic on the return trip indicating that the site was either off or the agencies were not using it.

While overnighting in Elko I heard several changes in the CC on the freqs around Elko. I could almost say with certainty that there was testing and evaluation going on as only Elko Central seemed to stay up and Elko West/East was up, then down and up then down and changing CC (buzzsaw) noises cycling through the frequencies. Even still there was no local NHP, NDOT traffic heard while in Elko, only the NSRS NHP that is simulcast and shared licenses with Washoe County.

I did pick up spurious traffic on the "old" 150Mhz State frequencies that was apparently NHP and the occasional NDOT Roads. These were broadcast in the clear and not trunked.

Which brings up an interesting point. If two agencies want to piggy-back / simulcast on each others sites, which makes sense for interoperability, how can they license the same freqs at the same site for two seperate entities? This seems like it would create a confusion????

Any more news?
 

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There is some interesting reading on the net regarding Nevada's Shared Radio System.

First read about Interoperability at the NGA's Best practice website. This is the paper created to introduce interoperability across the nation. This paper is a direct result of 9/11.

One of the highlights and sidebar to this paper is the Govenor's responsibility in implementing interoperability. This sidebar salutes the efforts of Utah's Govenor and how the implemetaion and efforts really paid off during the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City.
After 9/11, Utah Govenor Michael Leavitt was adamant about ensuring the public's safety at the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City. To meet the public's high expectations, there was a significant investment in the Utah Communications Agency Network (UCAN), an 800Mhz public safety radio system. Due to the enormous efforts of the public safety community, the system supported 15,600 federal, state, county and municipal users during the Olympics and processing 8.5 million calls in 17 days. If there had been an incident, UCAN could have provided immediate coverage for first responders.

Having experianced and listened to the UCAN first hand I can say that this is a premier interoperability network and that this should be an example for all statewide communications plans. The UCAN uses Motorol type II and supports the entire Salt Lake Area as well as statewide and currently has over 100 talkgroups in use today, and that is only the greater Salt Lake valley area!

Other reading is the Nevada Communications Steering Committee where you can read the minutes of the meetings that are directly related to the NSRS and implemetation. As a note they are currently attempting to complete only Phase I of the NSRS. :shock: And from the reading the plan, it isn't to get everyone on the 800Mhz EDACS but to offer links into the 800Mhz statewide EDACS from existing radio networks. As an example Clark County's 700Mhz Open Sky system will remain but a link into the statewide EDACS will exist. Other systems that will have links into the Nevada Statewide Radio System include:

Metro - Clark County Metro Police, 700Mhz Open Sky.
WCRCS - Washoe County Regional Communications System, 800Mhz EDACS.
SNACC - Souther Nevada Area Communication Council, 800Mhz Motorola Simulcast.
NSRS - Nevada Shared Radio System, 800 Mhz EDACS.

It is interesting to note that in the original draft of the NSRS a 150Mhz Motorola Type II system was suggested using the frequencies the State already owned, but lost. In my (not-so-humble) opinion I find this to be a significant loss to the State and the interoperability plan as the UCAN system seems to work flawlessley over a huge geographic area with sparse populations in remote locations similar to what Nevada has. And going to 800Mhz which tends not to travel or pentrate as far and wide as 150Mhz does is going to create areas of blind spots and excessive tower locations to link these "hidden" areas. However it is obvious that the statewide radio system isn't supposed to get everyone on the same system but to link the different systems into the 800Mhz EDACS. For the most remote and rural areas this would reduce the costs to be on the system without having to upgrade their current system. I do find it also interesting that if the intent is link diverse systems, why are there 800Mhz tower sites in the most geographically remote areas when if there was a simple in-town 800Mhz site that was linked via microwave to the next town/city site should be sufficiant. It appears as though the plan and the design aren't the same things. At least from my view and understanding.

Now since the system is still in it's infancy this explains as to why most sites aren't functioning and that in fact there still is a lot of testing going on. Now if we can only send the Nevada Communications Steering Committee to Salt Lake City to see how a real statewide radio system works and works well. ;)
 

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There will be a meeting regarding the Washoe County Regional Communications System tommorrow. This will cover topics regarding the WCRCS as well as possibly new info on the NSRS.

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In the beginning: 1999,
Senate Bill 504: Makes appropriations to Department of Motor Vehicles and Public Safety for costs of VHF Highband Radio Project and to Department of Transportation for completion of 800 MHz radio communication system. (BDR S-1464)


Raymond Sparks, Deputy Director, Department of Motor Vehicles/Public Safety (DMV/PS), announced he was present to address sections 1 and 2 of S.B. 504. The members of the committee might recall that during the 1997 session, DMV/PS requested, and was approved, funding to begin a project to upgrade its mobile radio communication system from low band to VHF high band. According to Mr. Sparks, the plan for the project followed the recommendation made by the radio engineering consultant contracted by the state in 1995 to study statewide mobile radio systems and needs. Mr. Sparks indicated the legislature appropriated approximately $2.9 million to begin the project.


Continuing, Mr. Sparks remarked in testimony presented in 1997, he stated that the total cost of the radio project was unknown at that time, and that an early and primary task of the project would be to contract with an engineering consultant to design the system. Once the system was designed, an accurate cost could be determined. He commented that since 1997, DMV/PS had, in fact, contracted for the services of a consultant and the radio system design was largely complete. In addition, the department had purchased much of the necessary radio equipment.


Mr. Sparks indicated he was present to request support of S.B. 504, which would appropriate the funds necessary for the build-out of the radio system. Specifically, DMV/PS was requesting $9,864,060 in Highway Fund dollars, and $355,422 in General Fund dollars, to allow the department to complete the radio system. The requested funding would enable DMV/PS to complete the radio project by the end of the next biennium, and would provide a mobile radio system that would greatly enhance public safety in Nevada.


According to Mr. Sparks, representatives from the Nevada Department of Transportation (NDOT) were present to address the other section of the bill. Chairman Arberry asked about the Highway Fund appropriation. Mr. Sparks advised the primary amount would be from the Highway Fund, along with a small amount from the General Fund, which would cover the cost for the Division of Parole and Probation and the Division of Investigations.


Mr. Marvel inquired if the bill would help cure some of the "dead spots" around the state. Mr. Sparks replied that one of the objectives of the project was to provide coverage over all of the main roadbeds throughout the state so officers had radio communication virtually everywhere. Mr. Marvel stated he spoke to an officer in Tonopah, and "dead spots" was one of the problems suffered in that area. Mr. Sparks indicated there were a number of such spots throughout the state and the project was designed to resolve those problems.


Chairman Arberry asked if all systems would be able to communicate with each other, because, when the issue was discussed in years past, there was some controversy about which entities could communicate with each other. He asked if everyone was now on the same "page," or would the system only work for a few. Mr. Sparks stated everyone was on the same "page" in that everyone agreed with the direction being pursued, which was to provide for interoperability. The VHS high band system that DMV/PS proposed, and was in the process of implementing, would allow the department and its officers to communicate with approximately 95 percent of the law enforcement agencies throughout the state. The NDOT 800-megahertz (MHz) system would provide communication with a few law enforcement agencies on that frequency. DMV/PS planned to work in cooperation with NDOT in an attempt to interface the two systems, so DMV/PS could go through NDOT’s system for interoperability with all agencies on that system.


Chairman Arberry asked if the system would take care of circumstances such as the incident of the gentleman who was murdered in the desert somewhere and no one knew what had happened. Mr. Sparks stated that was the goal, to ensure the department had interoperability with those agencies that would respond to a public safety situation, and so it could communicate via radio with allied agencies.


Mr. Beers stated he was rather confused, because an 800 MHz system was a line-of-site system, and why would the state be interested in such a system. Mr. Sparks stated he would defer to NDOT personnel to provide the answer. Roger Grable, Assistant Director for Administrative Services, NDOT, indicated the Data Processing/Telecommunications Division was his responsibility, noting he was also a licensed ham radio operator. Mr. Grable remarked he was present to speak in support of S.B. 504, because it would allow NDOT, under the added section, to complete its build-out of the existing 800 MHz shared radio system, called the Nevada Shared System, which currently covered approximately 60 percent of the state. He mentioned the bill would primarily fund the interoperability portion of the build-out, and the intent was to build a backbone that provided interoperability between the existing 800 MHz system and the expanded 800 MHz system. That would provide interoperability for the Highway Patrol to communicate under emergency conditions with everyone connected to the 800 MHz system. Mr. Grable stated NDOT felt there was sufficient funding for the project, and he respectfully requested that the bill move forward.


Mr. Beers indicated the appropriation was not included in the first version of the bill, to which Mr. Grable agreed, however, it appeared to have been added in the second version. He advised he was still somewhat confused because an 800 MHz system would imply that it serviced a local area rather than a statewide system. Mr. Grable noted NDOT was well established in the shared 800 MHz system in the Las Vegas region. NDOT had an inherent system with a Federal Communications Commission (FCC) waiver that permitted other than state agencies to join into the use of the 800 MHz system’s safety spectrum. Mr. Grable informed the committee there were technical persons present who could describe how that worked in more detail. The sharing of the system had allowed NDOT to share facilities with Nevada Power, Sierra Pacific Power, University of Nevada, Las Vegas, and North Las Vegas Police. Further, he conveyed the Gaming Control Board was ready to come into the system, along with other major state entities that wanted to join the system. Mr. Grable mentioned it would be very desirable to have all the systems talking to one another and to the Highway Patrol when a crisis situation developed. For example, during the flood in Sparks, persons could not talk from one side of the freeway to the other because the systems were "blanked," and a citizen’s band radio was the only thing that worked. According to Mr. Grable, it was critical that the state had the interoperability capability.


Mr. Beers then asked what the $4.3 million would buy. Mr. Grable replied that it would buy hardware, software, radio equipment to expand the 800 MHz system throughout the northern and northeastern segments of the State of Nevada, and it would buy the interconnectivity. He noted it would also buy the equipment that went into the integrated computer system, which linked all the radio mountaintop sites, and would provide certain mobile equipment that would interface NDOT’s system with DMV/PS’s system. Mr. Grable explained it was a fairly complex assortment of equipment.


Mr. Beers stated, if he understood correctly, it would be a northern Nevada only expenditure. Mr. Grable stated not necessarily, because the 800 MHz system was global throughout the state, and what was done in the north would effect what happened in the south. There were certain improvements that would be required in the south, including a "box" that went into the integrated system to connect the 150 MHz system with the 800 MHz system, which would be a statewide improvement included in the $4.3 million. Mr. Beers mentioned it sounded somewhat duplicative, because there was a low band for statewide communications, and the high band was a "line-of-site" system; he questioned the benefit of a statewide 800 MHz system.


Mr. Grable explained there were several mountaintop sites throughout the state, and the 800 MHz system technically operated very similar to the 150 MHz within the state. Both systems used the same mountaintop sites, and had the same number of repeaters throughout the state. Mr. Grable stated currently there were facilities which NDOT and DMV/PS shared, and other facilities where the two departments were not together. Those needed to be brought together so the system would function as a unit and not as two separate systems. Mr. Grable indicated part of the system was to bring NDOT and the Highway Patrol together with the Department of Information Technology (DoIT), to create a statewide operating system with two radio systems, one 150 MHz and one 800 MHz. Both systems were already in place in the state and both worked the same because of the mountaintop sites. Mr. Grable advised there was a map available where the proposed sites were plotted for the 150 MHz systems against the sites planned for the 800 MHz build-out, and they were essentially adjacent or parallel to each other.


Mr. Beers then inquired why the amended and original bill contained appropriations included in The Executive Budget, but they were $4.5 million apart. Chairman Arberry stated the appropriation was placed in the budget and the bill was needed to compliment the budget. With no further testimony forthcoming on S.B. 504, Chairman Arberry declared the hearing closed.
Even back in 1999 the legislators knew that the "solution" wasn't seemingly going to be what it was cracked up to be.

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Ok I got a little fumed today with teh "discoveries" I've found. I sent a fairly harsh letter to the Nevada Communications Steering Comittee and as well sent some letters to the Assembly and Legislature. In particular I sent on letter to the Bob Beers of the legislature notes above.
Hello Mr. Bob Beers,

First I'd like to congratulate and thank you on your opposition to the Nevada Shared Radio System implementing the 800Mhz EDACS as
the backbone of what is supposed to be a 100% statewide coverage public safety communications system.

I would like to share with you a perspective from the average citizen who listens as a hobby.

I have recently traveled from Salt Lake City, Utah where I had the opportunity to listen to the premiere UCAN (Utah Communications
Area Network) wide area (statewide) radio network based on the Motorola Smartnet system. The system supports all of Salt Lake City
and the greater Salt Lake valley with over 100 talkgroups and at least 20 agencies, all utilizing a system that supports
interoperability as well as being fully functional for the geographically disperse agencies in the state of Utah. Even with using
the 800Mhz frequencies now preferred by the FCC there was no gaps of coverage due to tower locations designed for the geography. Had
Salt Lake utilized the 150Mhz frequencies I'm sure that even clearer and more distance could be covered which could have reduced the
overall systems cost. But I digress being a fan of lower frequencies. It is however also noteworthy that the NGA's Best Practices
paper that outlines interoperability and is a direct result from 9/11 salutes and praises Utah and the UCAN and it's ability to
support nearly 20,000 agencies and nearly 9 million calls in 17 days during the 2002 Winter Olympics. As it stands now with our
system we would be lucky if a Trooper in Tonopah could call in a license plate.

As I traveled to and from Utah I attempted to listen in on the Nevada Shared Radio System. From what I can tell only 30% of the
supposed tower sites that are supposed to be on-line are. Even those that are on-line it seems as though the agencies are not
migrating or utilizing the system. With the only radio traffic that appears on these sites being the NHP traffic that originates
from Washoe County and uses the Washoe County Regional Communications System. It is obvious that the bulk of the communications
taking place along the Interstate 80 corridor is on the 150Mhz frequencies that the state has. This includes the NHP as well as NDOT
crews.

My question is, why doesn't the State of Nevada abandon the line of sight 800Mhz system keep the already licensed 150Mhz frequencies
and build it around a scalable Motorola Smartnet system? It would seem that the money (apparently) wasted on the 800Mhz system is
lost and throwing more money at this impossible design for the geography and geographically separated entities in this state is a
futile effort to justify someone's poor decision.

Does EDACS work? Absolutely. Here in Washoe County the Washoe County Regional Communication System is using 800Mhz EDACS with much
success in the greater Reno/Sparks area. It does however take 5 tower sites just to cover the little valley area of Reno/Sparks.
However a simple trip down Interstate 80 from Sparks to Fernley demonstrates some serious problem with an 800Mhz system with huge
"dead spots" and gaps of radio coverage. I would not want to be the law enforcement officer on that beat and having to determine
who, when or where I was going to perform my job based on if I do or do not have radio coverage. Nor would I want to be the person
responsible for the lives of the law enforcement community if I elected to pursue a system that does not meet the needs of the area.

So why is Nevada seemingly still pursuing this 800Mhz dream? It appears that with nearly 10+ million dollars spent and 5 years in
design we are no closer to the solution than we were in 1999 when you voiced your opposition to this system. Can't we just stop this
hemorrhage of cash and resources, keep the 150Mhz frequencies the state already has license to, implement the Motorola Smartnet
system and switch EVERY entity in the state to a fully functional system to provide the utmost in public safety as well as the
safety of those who use the system? It would seem that at this time we are burning the bucks just to prove that the 800Mhz system
works in a state with 14 mountain ranges, a few large population areas and a bulk of the state made up with very small populations
significantly separated by distance and geography. The cost to change out every entity to a 150Mhz Smartnet system would be
significant but in the end we know it would work and work reliably. Especially for the Trooper in Tonopah who works virtually alone,
on a lonely stretch of highway in the outback of Nevada, and the only source of help and assistance is the radio we put in their
hands.

Michael W
Concerned Citizen of the Great State of Nevada
Surprisingly, I just got off the phone with Mr. Beers. He called me back and 10:45 PM because he felt I needed to know some things about the "project". Without giving away too much because I'm tired and need to formulate the information, he said that 10 million dollars is nothing. The state will be asking for an additional 10 million dollars to try to make it work! :shock: :shock: :shock:

Suddenly pounding a square peg into a round hole seems reasonable. :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

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Yes, 10 million is only a drop in the bucket, however, that 10 million is from the pocket of the taxpayers. It will take many 10 Millions to make this system work.
Mr. Beers as Mr. Arberry,would rather see this foul up disappear as would all the Bafoons who allowed it to happen in the first place.
That's why the idiot who fouled up the licensing of the 150 Mhz. system was allowed to retire with full pension. Out of sight, out of mind!!!!!!
He left the State long ago.
This is totally a matter of incompetence, not only of those in the Telecommunications Dept., but involves the Politicians also and not to exclude the Govenors office and that of the Attorney General.
 
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