APX New APX NEXT XN Radio

[trauma74]

APX NEXT XN P25 Smart Radio - Motorola Solutions

APX NEXT XN Smart Radio from Motorola Solutions brings groundbreaking durability and mobilized intelligence to your lifeline so you are ready for the unexpected.

www.motorolasolutions.com

 

[GlobalNorth]

It's interesting, but how many functions can a handheld radio have before it is a potential fatal distraction on the fireground and not a tool?

 

[K2NEC]

Touchscreen on a fire radio. What genius thought of that?

 

[mmckenna]

I think that may be their new NFPA compliant radio. The Harris XL-400 has a list price close to $13,000, if I recall correctly, and we know Motorola won't be any cheaper.

Touchscreen on a fire radio. What genius thought of that?

But, but, but allllll the cool fire fighters have touch screen radios!!!!

Taxpayers: Bend over, here it comes again….

 

[buddrousa]

Can you operate it with WET LEATHER FIRE GLOVES ON?
1000 degrees I for sure am not removing my gloves.
Look out you will have to upgrade every 2 years like cell phone market life 5 years if big M follows their cell phone plan.

 

[ramal121]

Look, here's the channel knob and here's the volume knob and here's the PTT. Everything else DFWI. Easy peasy. In service completed.

 

[Outerdog]

It's interesting, but how many functions can a handheld radio have before it is a potential fatal distraction on the fireground and not a tool?

1. on/off
2. zone/channel
3. volume
4. ptt
5. emergency

I'd say any number greater than 5.

 

[Floridarailfanning]

Whoever the team at Motorola is that's developing this stuff is on crack. The only thing these radios are good for is impressing admin personnel. I can't imagine a use case where this thing would ever actually get deployed to end-users.

And the idea of integrating Android into a "Mission Critical" device is completely contradictory from a reliability standpoint and in terms of OPSEC.

What happens when the OS gets bugged out and crashes? Does the radio portion of the unit continue to function or does it become useless?

 

[MTS2000des]

FAO: ViQi change to Fire TAC-2
Radio: I don't understand. Did you say "are you that too"?
FAO: ViQI CHANGE TO TAC-2 NOW
Radio: I am sorry I don't understand

or

Fireman: MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY
Radio: I am having trouble understanding you

Toys are nice to play with. Being inside a burning building darked out is not the time to be playing with toys. Those folks need TOOLS that WORK without failure. We'll keep our 6000XEs thanks.

 

[nikronzo]

Toys are nice to play with. Being inside a burning building darked out is not the time to be playing with toys. Those folks need TOOLS that WORK without failure. We'll keep our 6000XEs thanks.

Agree with that! It seems like moto is running out of ways to make the radios better so now they just are making them flashy and smartphone-ish. I see plenty of first responders with an XTS5000 or APX6000 with no fancy screen or a million confusing buttons still. Those are real radios

 

[GlobalNorth]

Fireman: MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY
Radio: 'Payday is next Friday...

Adjusted for the reality of today's economic situation.

 

[mmckenna]

Motorola Solutions unveils new P25 fire radio with LTE connectivity to meet latest standards

Motorola Solutions yesterday announced the APX NEXT XN, a new Project 25 (P25) radio that includes SmartConnect LTE functionality in a form factor that is designed to meet the “latest and greatest standards” for rugged and resilient fireground communications.

urgentcomm.com

Still no price. But if you have to ask, you probably can't afford it or don't have a large enough taxpayer base.

 

[12dbsinad]

NFPA interior radio needs to consist of a volume control, channel selector, no display, emergency button, and that's about it. All in a ruggedized form factor.

Actually, it belongs integrated into the SCBA like I've been saying for years, but I digress. I've been in many interior fires and using a radio with a RSM is a PIA. Carrying the radio and controlling it is a PIA. Using your SCBA device is easy. So let's start there. And understanding digital audio while masked up in a fire with loud noises, fire alarms going off, etc only adds to the PITA's.

 

[mmckenna]

Actually, it belongs integrated into the SCBA like I've been saying for years, but I digress. I've been in many interior fires and using a radio with a RSM is a PIA. Carrying the radio and controlling it is a PIA. Using your SCBA device is easy. So let's start there. And understanding digital audio while masked up in a fire with loud noises, fire alarms going off, etc only adds to the PITA's.

Single band, too. Would be a pretty simple product with a single band RF board, controller, antenna, interface. But then they probably would't be able to $@*^ you for $15,000 each, plus what? $500 replacement batteries? $200 replacement antennas? $200 belt clips? $1,500 speaker mics?

This crap has gotten out of hand.

I did get to play with the Harris XL-400 recently. Nice radio, but too big/bulky for anyone other than fire. Too expensive to equip everyone on the truck with one. Overkill to the extreme.

I think we need to roll back to HT1000's and figure out where things went wrong.

 

[sfd745]

For day to day fire operations, they are severely overcomplicating things. I have been in the fire service for 26 years and have used many different radios. Ultimately, we need on that works with gloves on, doesn't change channels on its own, and can handle the heat. My favorite fireground radio was the HT1000 and then the XTS5000 M1. 95% of the guys on the fireground just want / need a radio they can pick up, turn on and talk. They don't need bells and whistles, they need function.

 

[12dbsinad]

Single band, too. Would be a pretty simple product with a single band RF board, controller, antenna, interface. But then they probably would't be able to $@*^ you for $15,000 each, plus what? $500 replacement batteries? $200 replacement antennas? $200 belt clips? $1,500 speaker mics?

This crap has gotten out of hand.

I did get to play with the Harris XL-400 recently. Nice radio, but too big/bulky for anyone other than fire. Too expensive to equip everyone on the truck with one. Overkill to the extreme.

I think we need to roll back to HT1000's and figure out where things went wrong.

100 percent agree.

Part of what went wrong, sadly, is the NFPA. Dept's follow them like it's the Holy bible.

A NFPA Whelen light bar on a fire truck costs thousands. The same light bar, without the NFPA sticker, costs less than half.

Why?

 

[mmckenna]

Part of what went wrong, sadly, is the NFPA. Dept's follow them like it's the Holy bible.

Yeah, I've been dealing with the in-building radio coverage stuff. It's idiotic. It's beyond idiotic.

 

[Outerdog]

100 percent agree.

Part of what went wrong, sadly, is the NFPA. Dept's follow them like it's the Holy bible.

A NFPA Whelen light bar on a fire truck costs thousands. The same light bar, without the NFPA sticker, costs less than half.

Why?

Ask the committee.



Same for the radios. Although there does not appear to be manufacturer representation on the 1802 committee as is seen on the 1901 committee.



NFPA gets a lot of things right. A radio that survives a nuclear meltdown seems like a tall order though.

If you think the fire service is the NFPA's only racket, go take a look at the 70 ensemble.

 

[KC3ECJ]

That's a funny name for a radio considering it doesn't seem to do NXDN.

 

[N1XDS]

Motorola Solutions unveils new P25 fire radio with LTE connectivity to meet latest standards

Motorola Solutions yesterday announced the APX NEXT XN, a new Project 25 (P25) radio that includes SmartConnect LTE functionality in a form factor that is designed to meet the “latest and greatest standards” for rugged and resilient fireground communications.

urgentcomm.com

Still no price. But if you have to ask, you probably can't afford it or don't have a large enough taxpayer base.

If I had to guess I say starting price is $10k or higher all depends on the cost