Never mind...it's not a frequency offset it's a channel offset....oh well...but I still get no audio...dammit...I guess I'll have to acquire a Pro-106...
**New Baltimore (City) System Discussion**
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troymail
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I'm trying to figure out if something has changed yet but perhaps isn't yet noticeable (or the report I heard was user error or a lack of understanding by the user)...
Yesterday, an Anne Arundel County Medic Unit was sent mutual aid into Baltimore City -- the crew was having trouble getting to the correct Baltimore City talkgroup and made a comment over the radio about "...not sure if the reprogramming of the Baltimore City radios is causing a problem with AA County getting to those channels...". Ultimately, AA Fire Alarm quickly established a patch on AA County "Charlie" (TG 80) and BCity dispatch was then able to talk to the AA County Medic unit.... lost track of what happened after that...
As far as I can tell, my scanner is still picking things up just like it did before....
Just wondering...
Yesterday, an Anne Arundel County Medic Unit was sent mutual aid into Baltimore City -- the crew was having trouble getting to the correct Baltimore City talkgroup and made a comment over the radio about "...not sure if the reprogramming of the Baltimore City radios is causing a problem with AA County getting to those channels...". Ultimately, AA Fire Alarm quickly established a patch on AA County "Charlie" (TG 80) and BCity dispatch was then able to talk to the AA County Medic unit.... lost track of what happened after that...
As far as I can tell, my scanner is still picking things up just like it did before....
Just wondering...
As of Thursday, field personnel still have not had training on the new template. We are still using the same 13-year-old system with the same talk groups. Just, in some cases, with new radios.
The AACo issue seems like either a problem on their end (maybe the medic was using a second-line vehicle with bad programming) or operator error.
troymail
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It probably was operator error but it was odd that she even knew/mentioned it -- she probably heard someone talking about it while at Harbor Hospital and talking with city personnel...
dpm797
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Anne Arundel Started reprogramming the northern county units that respond into Baltimore City with the "new" system about two weeks ago. Those units in North County that routinely go into the city have the new programming as well as the old in the portable radios.
That explains it. They were probably trying to use the new system, and no one's listening.
Portatech
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As far as I am aware Baltimore City has only upgraded their system from Smartnet/Smartzone Astro IMBE 3600 baud trunking to a Project 25 Phase 1 Smartzone system. No frequency changes or an increase decrease in the number of RF sites has changed. At the present moment they are still operating on the old Astro IMBE 3600 baud trunking system.
accurate.
Based on a memo received today, it appears that on March 1, at 0700 hours, fire station SIGNALLING (not voice dispatch) will be transitioned over to the new system. The new station signalling units reportedly have redundant connections to the FCB, both by radio and internet. The new electronics, which have been present in each fire station in a separate enclosure, will be placed into the existing Centracom-style watchdesk at each firehouse. The existing controls (speaker reset, day/night switch, acknowledge, etc) will continue to work as they have.
So those of you who listen to the new system, see if you can find a MOSCAD talk group so we can narrow that down a while.
So those of you who listen to the new system, see if you can find a MOSCAD talk group so we can narrow that down a while.
ka3jjz
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See message 88 of this thread. Don't just read new posts best regards..Mike
When the voice traffic switches to the new P25 system, you'll need to not only adjust the system type but the talk groups will also change. As of now, only station alert signalling has switched to the new system. Voice remains as it was.
troymail
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I'm having trouble receiving the control channel and any activity related to the new system from my location - I really have to work hard to find a spot in the house where things work (and there isn't enough activity to warrant really trying at this point).
This is strange since using the same radio (PSR800) I can hear the old system just fine.
This couple with some other factors (like the Prince George VHF alerting and their new P25 system) worries me more and more - it seems the newer systems are really being tuned to allow for a reduction in power to the extent that it seems listening to systems outside the listeners local jurisdiction may be soon a thing of the past without a bigger, better outdoor antenna (which is bad for me since I prefer handheld radios!)
BTW - given the post about the 1 March 0700 activation of station alerting (MOSCAD?), has anyone noticed additional activity on the new system (or is the alerting occurring via Internet link?)?
It is possible that they switch over to the new alerting electronics but are still using the existing system. I have not been in range to listen in. Regardless, fire station alerting is now using the new system electronics, so all that is left is assignment of new portable radios, and the FD will be 100% ready for change-over. No updated timeline has been advertised.
Dewey
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You're going to have to "Trade up". The 250 does not follow true P-25 which uses a 9600 baud control channel. IIRC, the 250 will only follow 3600 baud control channels. Someone correct me if my memory is fading.
Dewey
Re-programming of existing XTS5000 radios, and replacement of XTS3000 with XTS5000 models are well underway (if not complete). Very few non-upgrade-ready units are in the field now. All that's left is for field training of the new fleetmap and I believe the transition will occur.
Tricky feat will be coordinating the transition with all city agencies. Since the upgraded system will use existing system's frequency pairs, the old system will have to be turned off or scaled down to maybe 5 channels so that the new system will have sufficient capacity to take over citywide comms. I'm not sure if DPW has transitioned their radios, which may make it necessary to keep the 3600bps system operational with 5 or so channels, leaving only 23 channels for public safety on the upgraded system.
I'll keep everyone updated if we hear about a transition.
Tricky feat will be coordinating the transition with all city agencies. Since the upgraded system will use existing system's frequency pairs, the old system will have to be turned off or scaled down to maybe 5 channels so that the new system will have sufficient capacity to take over citywide comms. I'm not sure if DPW has transitioned their radios, which may make it necessary to keep the 3600bps system operational with 5 or so channels, leaving only 23 channels for public safety on the upgraded system.
I'll keep everyone updated if we hear about a transition.
A1 9001 (Also B1, C1) A1/B1/C1 MAIN
A2 9002 (Also C2) A2/C2 DISP
A3 9003 (Also C3) A3/C3 EMS1
A4 9004 (Also C4) A4/C4 EMS2
A5 9005 (Also C5) A4/C5 EMS3
A6 9006 A6 FG2
A7 9007 A7 FG2-1
A8 9008 A8 FG2-2
A9 9009 A9 FG2ANNC
A10 conventional
A11 conventional
A12 9010 (Also C12) A12/C12 LATRL1
A13 9011 A13 FG1ANNC
A14 9012 A14 FG1-2
A15 9013 A15 FG1-1
A16 9014 A16 FG1
B2 9015 B2 SUPRT1
B3 9016 B3 SUPRT2
B4 9017 B4 TRNG1
B5 9018 B5 TRNG2
B6 9019 B6 EVENT1
B7 9020 B7 EVENT2
B8 9021 B8 EVENT3
B9 9022 B9 ADMIN
B10 9023 B10 CITY
B11 9024 B11 FDPD
B12 9025 B12 FDDPW
B13 9026 B13 FG3ANNC
B14 9027 B14 FG3-2
B15 9028 B15 FG3-1
B16 9029 B16 FG3
C6 9030 C6 CLL21
C7 9031 C7 MED22
C8 9032 C8 MED23
C9 9033 C9 PATCH
C10 9034 C10 LATRL2
C11 unknown (DYNRG)
C13 9035 C13 FG4ANNC
C14 9036 C14 FG4-2
C15 9037 C15 FG4-1
C16 9038 C16 FG4
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