New CHP frequency assignments? Cutover date?

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Frequency names?

Once all the radios statewide have been reconfigured and the new frequencies put into use, does anyone know if CHP plans to drop the "2" suffixes from the channel names?

During this transitional phase it's obviously necessary to distinguish between the "old" Black and "new" Black, "old" Green and "new" Green, etc, but once everything is switched over, the "2's" would seem to be unnecessary. Of course there will still be the need to distinguish between the different divisions' freq/PL combinations, but that's a separate issue.
 

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good question

even now tho - they already refer to blu2 as the blue

when air ops are getting going they say "going to the blue" which is really blue2 then they usually use the output of the repeater

always funny to hear the 1 guy using the rptr input when they do speed who doesnt realize hes using the rptr and nobody else notices hes using the rptr instead of using the output

again.... unless the antennas are the wideband models and not the usual 800khz wide tuned for 42.5 they are paving the way for radio problems

even isolators go bad after too much load for too long

maybe a prediction of things to come ?
 

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Over the past couple of days I have compiled some CHP frequency charts looking at things from different perspectives. One shows each frequency, what it was used for before this change over and how (or if) it is used after the changeover. Another list looks at the channels in each division, in which I have left in the "old" BLUE channels. That leads to my question....

Most of the frequencies have been "re-used" after the changeover, but the old Blue frequencies (42.340 & 42.180) have not. Looking at the Excel file, I see those channels are marked as "OFF" under the division category. Does anyone know if they plan to continue using the "old" Blue channels in addition to the "Blue2" channels? I've left both programmed for now. Thanks.
 

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CHPERS Explained

California Highway Patrol Enhanced Radio System

The California Highway Patrol Enhanced Radio System (CHPERS) project is a five-year plan which will provide for the development and implementation of an enhanced statewide radio communications system in support of CHP’s mission. The CHPERS project will provide an improved state-of-the-art radio system and employ modern methodologies to enhance and leverage the existing infrastructure and meet future operational and interoperability needs.

The CHPERS project plan has incorporated efficiencies identified in coordination with the Department of General Services. The CHPERS project focuses on the enhancement of the radio system infrastructure as well as continuing the acquisition of 700 MHz frequency spectrum, the acquisition of mobile/portable 700/800 MHz radios, the separation of radio frequencies, and the development of a radio solution for the CHP’s motorcycles and specialty vehicles. To ensure there are no radio frequency interference problems, a statewide effort is underway to acquire additional radio rack space and equipment. As a result, the CHP will be able to separate tactical frequencies, enabling each Division to operate emergency radio traffic during critical incidents without interfering with radio traffic for normal operations. The acquisition of 700 MHz frequency spectrum will provide an officer with an increased communications range while they are out of their vehicle, in addition to providing interoperability with other first responders.

The CHP is seeking alternative technology solutions for integrating and enhancing the Patrol Officer Mobile Environment as part of its program to upgrade the existing statewide communications infrastructure in preparation for future growth. An important part of the plan is to integrate systems and enhance the existing enforcement vehicle communications functions. The Consolidated Patrol Vehicle Environment (CPVE), a vehicle tactical network, will allow the consolidation of various mobile radio equipment to interface with multiple frequency bands. The patching of disparate radio systems will provide temporary links to create interoperable systems anywhere in the state, utilizing a single screen graphical user interface (GUI) system. The vehicle tactical network is software-driven and the operating software will be designed to automatically select the appropriate in-trunk radio unit for the frequency band associated with the operational channel selected. The CPVE is configured for touch screen operation that allows multiple technologies (e.g., radio, video, mobile data, siren, public address, emergency lights, license plate reader, gun locks, and radar) to be readily available to CHP officers for their day-to-day operations.

The CHP is in the process of completing the installation of a statewide/regional radio communications interoperability network utilizing the gateway boxes in each of the CHP 25 communications centers. The goal is to connect each local gateway switch to other gateway switches statewide. Using Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) connectivity, the gateway box allows direct voice communication between CHP and any allied agencies responding to both short-term and long-term incidents. The gateway box has the ability to link disparate radio systems (i.e., VHF low band, VHF high band, UHF, UHF-T, and 700/800 MHz) as well as satellite, landline, and cellular phone systems to enhance communications through real time, field unit-to-unit, and direct voice communications. Connectivity can be established to provide remote access for command and control anywhere in the state for remote incident or on-scene command, utilizing the Wide Area Interoperability System (WAIS) software through the internet or existing CHP LAN/WAN.

In January 2006, the Department purchased nine Chevrolet Tahoes through the 11-22 Program, utilizing a Homeland Security grant. The vehicles were equipped and integrated with satellite, airborne video downlink, and interoperable communications equipment, allowing the vehicles to perform as mobile command centers. The vehicles also provide internet access, satellite services, and a command and control system display. Utilizing the gateway box, the vehicles offer incident commanders direct communication between allied agencies and first responders involved in a particular disaster response, even when they are using disparate radio systems. In addition, the gateway boxes provide command and control capabilities in the event of catastrophic damage to the local infrastructure. The Rapid Response Vehicles (RRV) provides CHP with a mobile command where needed. In effect, with remote access to radio communications systems, telephone, internet, email, fax, and satellite television services, an RRV could replace a CHP Area office or communications center. The RRVs are assigned statewide to the eight CHP divisions.

The CHP infrastructure is comprised of radio base station equipment installed at 302 remote radio sites, 102 Area offices, 25 communications centers, and 16 inspection facilities. To ensure minimal downtime of the infrastructure equipment in the event of catastrophic failure, four vault trailers and two antenna trailers have been purchased to provide back-up communications. The self-contained mobile trailers will house over 20 racks of radio base station equipment that can be deployed anywhere in the state and will provide the CHP and its tenants (allied agencies) with immediate relief from disruption of vital equipment used for communication in a wide coverage area. The antenna trailers are self-contained units with a maximum height of over 60 feet that can accommodate numerous antennas, including low band, high band, UHF, 700/800 MHz, and microwave dishes. Once these units reach their destination they can be activated and operational within an hour without requiring an external power source.
 

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Anyone happen to know when auto repeat is turned on if the units in the field can pick up mobile traffic on both the "C" channel (direct) and the "S" channel (through the auto repeat site) or will one channel override the other?

I know with the old setup a unit could hear traffic on both the "S" channel and "C" channel at the same time.

If they are able to hear mobile traffic on both channels I would think it would be slightly delayed on the "S" channel.
 

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Transmit inhibit?

Is somewhat the same vein, with their current radios are CHP units electronically inhibited from transmitting when the dispatcher is transmitting or when another unit's transmission is being repeated? I know with some systems that's the case, and it could theoretically prevent an officer from putting out an emergency message until the frequency goes quiet. Even if it's infrequent, would this be somewhat of a downside to full-time repeaters?

Anyone happen to know when auto repeat is turned on if the units in the field can pick up mobile traffic on both the "C" channel (direct) and the "S" channel (through the auto repeat site) or will one channel override the other?.
 

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the officers can key up the radio at any time nothing inhibits it

i would assume even if the dispatcher was talking she would be able to hear the audio from the radio

i dont have much experience working the consoles - just setting up a few
 

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Teal 2 being tested (Friday Morning)

Teal 2 is being tested on 45.52 with units all over West Valley (southern California/LA County) jurisdiction doing radio checks with LA. Appears CHP Tac 4 being used as dispatch frequency while Teal 2 is being tested.
 

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This is a list of the new freqs for Southern Division, as far as I know the only channels that havent switched over yet are Teal (which is in testing phase) and Blue.

44.9400 | 186.2 | BLACK | CENTRAL LOS ANGELES
45.4200 | 186.2 | BLUE | DIVISION WIDE
44.7400 | 186.2 | BROWN | ALTADENA
39.4000 | 186.2 | GOLD | SANTA FE SPRINGS
45.0200 | 186.2 | ORANGE | BALDWIN PARK
44.6200 | 186.2 | PINK | WEST LOS ANGELES
45.7000 | 186.2 | TAN | NEWHALL / ANTELOPE VALLEY
45.5200 | 186.2 | TEAL | WEST VALLEY
39.2200 | 186.2 | WHITE | SOUTH LOS ANGELES
45.4800 | 186.2 | YELLOW | EAST LOS ANGELES
 

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This is a list of the new freqs for Southern Division, as far as I know the only channels that havent switched over yet are Teal (which is in testing phase) and Blue.

44.9400 | 186.2 | BLACK | CENTRAL LOS ANGELES
45.4200 | 186.2 | BLUE | DIVISION WIDE
44.7400 | 186.2 | BROWN | ALTADENA
39.4000 | 186.2 | GOLD | SANTA FE SPRINGS
45.0200 | 186.2 | ORANGE | BALDWIN PARK
44.6200 | 186.2 | PINK | WEST LOS ANGELES
45.7000 | 186.2 | TAN | NEWHALL / ANTELOPE VALLEY
45.5200 | 186.2 | TEAL | WEST VALLEY
39.2200 | 186.2 | WHITE | SOUTH LOS ANGELES
45.4800 | 186.2 | YELLOW | EAST LOS ANGELES

It's best to actually "submit" them rather than post to forum. Some admins don't always read the forums for new freqs.

I had been following this thread so I just updated some of them, if not all, a few minutes ago.
 

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Incomplete information

This is a list of the new freqs for Southern Division, as far as I know the only channels that havent switched over yet are Teal (which is in testing phase) and Blue.

44.9400 | 186.2 | BLACK | CENTRAL LOS ANGELES
45.4200 | 186.2 | BLUE | DIVISION WIDE
44.7400 | 186.2 | BROWN | ALTADENA
39.4000 | 186.2 | GOLD | SANTA FE SPRINGS
45.0200 | 186.2 | ORANGE | BALDWIN PARK
44.6200 | 186.2 | PINK | WEST LOS ANGELES
45.7000 | 186.2 | TAN | NEWHALL / ANTELOPE VALLEY
45.5200 | 186.2 | TEAL | WEST VALLEY
39.2200 | 186.2 | WHITE | SOUTH LOS ANGELES
45.4800 | 186.2 | YELLOW | EAST LOS ANGELES
This is only HALF of the information. Don't forget you still NEED the MOBILE frequencies as well. Yeah I know the plan is to repeat, but the repeat function can be turned off at the dispatcher's whim. Here in Sacramento the repeat has been off more than on since the switchover.
 

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Dispatcher's whim

This is only HALF of the information. Don't forget you still NEED the MOBILE frequencies as well. Yeah I know the plan is to repeat, but the repeat function can be turned off at the dispatcher's whim. Here in Sacramento the repeat has been off more than on since the switchover.
I've seen that expression "dispatcher's whim" on here before. Is it truly just up to how a particular dispatcher feels at any given time, whether the repeat function is on or off? Sounds like an strange way to operate a radio system, especially for a large agency. Or are there some guidelines and parameters within which that decision is made?

In two of the three agencies for which I dispatched (LAPD in particular), everything we did and said was prescribed in excruciatingly minute detail... down to how we crossed our eyes and dotted our tees.
 

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Harry, the dispatch consoles all have the option of rebroadcasting the received traffic. Don would be the best person to ask about the policy, but I have just found certain folks rebroadcast and others just do not do it.
 

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sac gold2 is on repeat about 1 shift out of 3 per day
sac green2 is on repeat right now -1st time i have heard repeat on in about2-3 days
bay area is a prime example you could put on a blindfold and throw darts at balloons and you would have the same accuracy on guessing when the repeated audio will be on or off

Until some1 tells the dispatch sups to LEAVE THE REPEAT ON at all times its going to be that way

why even install repeaters if nobody is going to use them
spend millions of dollars to upgrade the system only to have it put back to the old level of service just from 1 person

when repeat is on it allows all officers to hear everyone UNLIKE when it's off
I actually think that some of the dispatchers feel the same way as the question that was posed above..
perhaps the dispatchers dont like hearing the repeat audio OR they think when the repeat is on that some officer on an emergency wont be able to key up in time of distress
training, training, training
 

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why even install repeaters if nobody is going to use them
spend millions of dollars to upgrade the system only to have it put back to the old level of service just from 1 person

Because moving low band cans is a ton of fun.

The upgrades are apparent in audio quality and system coverage. Rebroadcasting is by no means a measure of the upgrade. Sometimes there was no rebroadcast before the upgrade.
 

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Until some1 tells the dispatch sups to LEAVE THE REPEAT ON at all times its going to be that way
I was told in the past that (other than at LACC) it's always been the dispatcher's option whether to use the repeat function where it was available - unless, of course, a field supervisor requested it be one way or the other.

why even install repeaters if nobody is going to use them
spend millions of dollars to upgrade the system only to have it put back to the old level of service just from 1 person
Indeed

perhaps the dispatchers dont like hearing the repeat audio
What do you mean by that? I've dispatched for one-freq simplex, two-freq "semi-duplex," and full repeat systems. What "repeat audio" do the dispatchers hear that's different from just hearing the uplink? Do they get dueling or echoing signals from two paths? The two repeatered systems I worked, we dispatchers heard the uplink directly (actually via microwave or wireline), period.

Perhaps the CHP powers-that-be are waiting for the whole thing to be rolled out statewide, and get input from officers and dispatchers all over, before rewriting their apparently long-held "dispatcher's option" policy on it. Change is always slower the bigger you get.
 
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