New CHP frequency assignments? Cutover date?

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I can't speak for the NorCal Implementations, but the So Cal systems seem to work pretty darn good, especially the TAN (Santa Clarita/Antelope Valley Offices) and TEAL (W. San Fernando Valley). Coverage is great, and they actually USE the repeat function all the time. The coverage of the TAN is exceptional.
 

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I can't speak for the NorCal Implementations, but the So Cal systems seem to work pretty darn good, especially the TAN (Santa Clarita/Antelope Valley Offices) and TEAL (W. San Fernando Valley). Coverage is great, and they actually USE the repeat function all the time. The coverage of the TAN is exceptional.

Yeah, I'm getting great reception of the new L.A. CHP channels, much better than I get from the current OC channels. And I'm in central OC. I can't wait until they upgrade the OC channels. As far as I remember, the So Cal stations (LA, OC, Inland and SD) turned on the repeaters when they went to the -1 channels. Until the their recent upgrade to the -2 channels, a lot (maybe all?) of the LA stations were still on their original channels with the repeater off. I don't think they ever went to -1 channels like OC and SD did a few years ago.
 

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Let's not get all sick and nervous

I don't see any real reason for them (or us) to expect to suffer from premature evacuation from the new frequencies.

Every system, especially new, large systems - and there aren't too many as large, geographically and equipment wise, as CHP's - suffers a lot of growing pains when reinventing themselves. I could tell you plenty of horror stories about LAPD's travails in the early 1980s when they went from 70-watt VHF radios to 2-watt UHF portables - and a very buggy CAD system in essentially one fell swoop. And in 2001 the sky nearly fell again when they switched from analog to digital. Everyone from the RTOs to street cops to helicops was beside themselves, and didn't hesitate hollering it from the rooftops... especially the L.A. Times' rooftop. Only the /\/\ folks and some of the department brass said everything was hunky-dory, that it was simply that "We have to get officers used to using this type of equipment." (page 2). The exact same Saber III radios they'd already been using for 5 years, but simply switched from analog to digital.

There were, to be sure, some very serious issues, like "simplex" (tactical) no longer working on the dispatch channels, with virtually no tac-frequency alternatives available for several years. Initially there were no aircraft-certified digital UHF radios, so they had to carry MX350 portables on board to try to communicate with the ground troops. And of course the sea change of often-crappy audio replacing the analog which had served them, crystal clear, for 70 years. But most of the wrinkles were eventually ironed out and the thing works pretty well today, and to my knowledge, nobody was ever killed or injured because of radio issues.

And speaking of "crystal clear," think how ticked off we'd be if we were still back in the $5.95-per-crystal days of the 60s and 70s and just bought a division worth of 39, 44, and 45 mHz xtals!

I wouldn't get too excited just yet. I just spent Christmas week in Ventura County, and using my $69 Pro-83 with a VHF high-band rubber ducky, inside my mother-in-law's metal-clad mobile home, I was hearing both sides of the conversations on several LACC area frequencies, which I previously couldn't receive there at all even outdoors, before CHPERS.
 
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u r going to hear it a lot better in some areas since they are using gain antennas

gain doesnt equal 360 deg saturation

instead of abandoning the new freqs - they need to get rid of the garbage antennas they are using and go back to using the old ones

this was an engineering debacle and engineering peed their pants and did what chp told them to do instead of doing what was the right way to do it

the antenna is a garbage antenna very prone to cold solder joints and breaking in icy and windy conditions

why buy a good omni that works in all directions for 800$ ... when you can buy a crappy gain antenna , prone to failures, for 1000 $ ?" chp quote of the day
 

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Seems like you jumped the gun

helpful programming tip of the day

dont delete your old chp freqs from your scan list

after the chppers has been completely done - they are going to back through and reprogram the whole state back to the original old freqs

the new stuff doesnt work and isnt working so its all going back to the old freqs

and you wonder why calif is broke ?

good job

Where is the proof of this? Not to be a naysayer but please bring evidence when making such a broad statement. Thanks
 

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Where is the proof of this? Not to be a naysayer but please bring evidence when making such a broad statement. Thanks

With all due respect to avtarsingh's "connections" and "inside scoop" I have to agree with this. No matter what, from a technical standpoint and given the age of and issues with the old system, even if the new system has a myriad of unforeseen issues it would make far more sense, financially and technically, to just suck it up and move on fixing the new system until the issues are resolved rather than pulling all of the new stuff out and reverting completely to the old infrastructure - remote base and mobile radios, antennas, and all. Just looking at availability of service parts alone would support this. If the "narrow" band mobile antennas and the "wrong" base/mountaintop antennas are a problem then someone needs to address that as a priority issue for immediate attention; tossing out the entire infrastructure and going back to the old stuff would be very silly, I think. The advantages of the new system when properly functioning likely far outweigh those of just going back to the old system and living with it. On the other hand, I CAN see how the unforeseen issues will slow the progress down somewhat (together with the budget and staffing issues) and that there will likely be many more changes (in addition to those we have already seen) to the original plan.

Not that it reflects the actual system users' experience but, for what it's worth, after the changes, I can hear the Southern division much better down here in "further south" north San Diego County!

Again, with all due respect to avtarsingh, I think a little too much emotion has crept into his analysis of late.

Just my opinion, though.

-Mike
 
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With all due respect to avtarsingh's "connections" and "inside scoop" I have to agree with this. No matter what, from a technical standpoint and given the age of and issues with the old system, even if the new system has a myriad of unforeseen issues it would make far more sense, financially and technically, to just suck it up and move on fixing the new system until the issues are resolved rather than pulling all of the new stuff out and reverting completely to the old infrastructure - remote base and mobile radios, antennas, and all
Based on this post, I think he agrees with you. The argument seems to be that the antennas are to blame, but the rest of the system is OK.

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instead of abandoning the new freqs - they need to get rid of the garbage antennas they are using and go back to using the old ones
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I wouldn't be surprised if there were some mistakes made in the procurement process. There always is. But I have to say... I wouldn't be shy to admit hearing major problems, but I haven't heard any in the SoCal area. Sounds fine for the most part. Change the whole system back? I don't know... The government is insane, but I don't think even they are that insane.
 

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Avatarsingh,
Any revised schedule for Border, Orange County specifically as I have heard traffic recently on Grey, Purple, and Green regarding certain sites off line for upgrades. Are they moving forward with site infrastructure changeouts down here? I hope to see the simulcast up and running soon. I like what they have done in LA. Monitoring the LA basin on a handheld on low band is pretty nice!

Thanks in advance.

-M142
 

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Awaiting Northern Division cutovers

I saw that redding got their frequencies approved, but I bet wont be along time before they get up there.
Yep, just about all of the Northern Division sites' license mods (Ukiah White, Humboldt Green, Yreka Purple, Redding Red and their Northern Blue), have been approved, with the exception of the Susanville Dispatch Center's sites (45.10 out), which just recently started to show up in the FCC applications database.

Although our winter at the coast has been unusually dry and "warm" (relatively speaking) since the first of the year, I don't really expect to hear anything before the Spring. But I've got the new Green & Red freqs in my scan list, but haven't heard anything on them. The only Red site I expect to hear would be Horse Mountain for the west reaches of Hwy 299 in Trinity Co.
 
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I'm waiting for word on Indio to switch to 45.04, and if they'll keep the same tone.
I imagine everyone is waiting for their local areas' switchover dates, including the officers themselves. Actually in my 40+ years experience, most officers and dispatchers (other than the few radio buffs among them) don't know and couldn't care less about what specific radio frequency is used by "Red" or "Blue" or whatever, or which tone is used, as long as they can continue to communicate with each other.

The new tone for Border Division is supposed to be 94.8.
 
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Last week was the first time I heard a air uinit tell a ground unit to switch over to blue2 on the coast, but it was all static. I don't think they even have any of the new sites up working for the blue2 here. I guess they were just trying the new frequency on the output on the base frequency .
 

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Not a single post on here for almost four months... and for a pretty good reason. According to an informed source, since the troubled cutovers in CHP Southern Division a year ago (not all of which have been resolved even yet - watch for some possible uplink freq and PL changes in L.A. County), there have been no more frequency changes implemented in other divisions. While they try to sort out and then actually make some decisions on how to avoid elsewhere the frequency and tone issues that plagued Southern Division, they are, however, gradually making equipment upgrades statewide, but staying with the existing frequencies.

Stay tuned, but the current "schedule" I have as far as any more cutover dates is "this will take some time." That's all I know about it, but more info or good rumors are always interesting to read.
 
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