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Hey Guys, I'm looking to buy my first scanner pretty soon. I've been reading some reviews, and Decided to go pick up a Pro-82 from Radioshack, but the guy there said I was wasting my money, because in February EVERYTHING is going Digital just like the TV's. I though BS on this one, I suddenly didn't want to buy from this guy, so I headed home to do my research. Is he full of it? My main reasons to buy is of course to listen to the Police broadcasts, but there are others, like the past few employers I worked for and the local high school that I used to attend. He said all the local dept's have gone digital and I won't be able to use my new scanner (Rolls eyes). This may be something I want to ask for for Christmas, so I want to have my facts straight. Will a "New generation" scanner do everything and more that the analog scanners do.
 

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Radio Shack employees are not noted for their knowledge of their product lines and how they work. In this case, the guy was right.

No, not everyone on the public service band is going digital in Feb 2009. But many public service systems are already or are slowly migrating to digital systems. In your area the State of Michigan's system is a P25 system (when you see P25 that is short for digital). And the systems in your area will be migrating to it in early 2009 (which could be February). So right now your area systems are still analog but not for much longer.

Find a good digital scanner. Radio Shack, GRE and Uniden make them. Do some research and search through the forums here for the various digital scanners and their merits or demerits.

Welcome to RR and good luck.
 

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Thank you for your reply! So do you know of any particular Digital Scanners that stick out as a best-bang-for your-buck scanner? And will any digital scanner still pick up places that haven't gone digital yet?
 

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Yes, one of the 'new generation' scanners that cover digital will do everything analog scanners will. I see in a different post that your budget is limited (whose isn't these days?). Keep your eyes open - RS often has sales in the next month or two on the PRO-96 which brings the price down. Get a USB cable, Win96 software and even a premium subscription, and you'll be in business. Someone might even be able to send you a file you can import. It depends greatly on your needs and wants.

Better still would be to jump down to the Michigan forum and start learning about your area. Don't use the 'view new posts' functions - I see there are many stickies (retained threads) which might be useful to you. Our wiki has tons of information on the digital scanners and trunking. Read up and start learning now will save you making an expensive mistake later.

73 Mike
 

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Radio Shack: "you have questions, we have what?"

Agencies have the option to have a digital or analog radio system. I am not aware of any mandate to go to digital, that is similar to TV. There is a requirement to go to narrow band, which requires channel spacing of 12.5 kilohertz by 2013. The federal government is already narrow band, as they had a January 2005 mandate to do so. Federal radios have to be capable of digital, but not all agencies are using digital.

If you don't know how frequencies are spaced in "wide band" versus narrow band, here is an example. Wide band is spaced every 25 kilohertz so here a some typical wide band frequencies, 155.025, 155.050, 155.075, and 155.100. Now when we go narrow band the frequencies would be 155.025, 155.0375, 155.050, 155.0625, 155.075, 155.0875, and 155.100. By requiring narrower channel spacing the number of channels per one megahertz in the radio spectrum is doubled, from 40 with the 25 kilohertz spacing to 80 with the 12.5 kilohertz spacing. This was done due to the demand for more channels and thus frequency assignments. For the 470-512 MHz band this was already the spacing required, and for the 700-940 MHz band this was the spacing assignment given when the band was opened for assignment.

Why is this important? Because the PRO-96 is only capable of narrow band operation in the previously allocated bands where the original channel spacing was narrow band and on 151 MHz. Previous Radio Shack scanners don't have this capability. Why they made the radio capable of narrow band on 151 MHz and not in the federal bands is something I've wondered ever since I purchased the PRO-96 being that the feds were the first to have a narrow band mandate. The new GRE scanners (PSR-500 and PSR-600) not only have narrow band capability for all bands, but they have the feature of being able to boost the audio on each channel and this is selectable by channel. Narrow band signals have less audio than wide band signals, so if you have the volume set for the wide band channels you may not be able to hear the narrow band signals. If you have the radio audio turned up in order to hear the narrow band frequencies, it will blast you out of your house when a wide band frequency is received. As the 2013 date draws closer you will have increased mixing of narrow and wide band signals until 2013 is reached, at which time all of public safety will be narrow band and one volume setting will be fine for all.

This is a reason to purchase the most expensive and up to date model right now. If you buy a cheaper model, you will have to put up with the different audio levels, and won't be able to program in the narrow band frequencies. That leaves you short for the federal frequencies right now and will begin to leave you short more and more until 2013 is reached and you won't be able to program the narrow band frequencies in the public safety bands. If you buy a cheaper radio now, you will just have to buy another one in 2013. If the cheaper radio costs 50% of the more expensive models, you will save 50% now. But when you have to replace the cheaper model in less than 4 years, you will end up paying 150% (100% for the more expensive model plus 50% for the obsolete cheaper model), or about $750. The total cost for buying the more expensive model right now is less than buying the cheaper model.

Many people say that the $500 cost of a new up to date scanner keeps many people out of the hobby. That might be true, but I don't think this is a new development. I bought my first scanner in 1970 at a cost of $110 and it only had 8 channels, each of which required a crystal that cost $5, bringing the total price to $150. The radio was only capable of the VHF-Hi band (150-174 MHz) I bought a Radio Shack handheld in 1982 and it was capable of receiving VHF-Low (30-50 MHz), VHF-Hi, and UHF (450-512 MHz), with a 16 channel capacity. In terms of todays dollars, I would guess that we are talking about $500, so things really haven't changed. You have always had to "pay if you want to play."
 
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Hey Guys, I'm looking to buy my first scanner pretty soon. I've been reading some reviews, and Decided to go pick up a Pro-82 from Radioshack, but the guy there said I was wasting my money, because in February EVERYTHING is going Digital just like the TV's. I though BS on this one, I suddenly didn't want to buy from this guy, so I headed home to do my research. Is he full of it? My main reasons to buy is of course to listen to the Police broadcasts, but there are others, like the past few employers I worked for and the local high school that I used to attend. He said all the local dept's have gone digital and I won't be able to use my new scanner (Rolls eyes). This may be something I want to ask for for Christmas, so I want to have my facts straight. Will a "New generation" scanner do everything and more that the analog scanners do.
If you look at the notes for the trunked system for your area, you'll see information about them going to the MPSCS system which is digital. Ypsi is analog now, but won't stay that way long.
http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?sid=82
 
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Very smart move in going with your instinct and waiting to do some research of your own. Being as Radio Shack doesn't have a good rep around here, and I hesitate to "out" myself... but I worked at radio shack a couple years ago. I only worked there for a couple of months, because it was quickly apparent that this was not the place I had shopped at 5-10 years ago. Certainly a lot of the employees can be clueless when it comes to specific technology (scanners for instance), but you may find the rare enthusiast who is knowledgeable and has good advice.

Anyways, you may want to consider getting a less expensive model (that will do what you need it to do, of course), before jumping all the way in. From what I've seen here on the forum, if you really get into it, you'll start collecting equipment like stray dogs! Judging from the posts in the "post pics of your shack" forum, lots of members have multiple scanners and use them all for different purposes. I just got another fairly new scanner, but am already looking to purchase a more rebust, expensive model.

Whatever you decide to get, you'll certainly benefit from the info here, both the members and the wiki.
 
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