New in the box APX eBay sale.

[prcguy]

Well with the Harris unit , you can park it on a TG that you want to monitor unlike the moto which has to keep scanning unless you program it to park on that TG but thats it you can not do that on the fly unlike the Harris. Also the Harris unit is soooooo much easier to program for NAS as you only have to check and or uncheck 3 boxes to keep from affiliating. The moto according to some people is less of a brick then harris and it is a little bit more rugged and able to take punishment then harris but in my book the harris is better for NAS then moto. Of course thos on ebay for around $400 and or $500 thos are for parts only and some like the one with the cracked screen you are just SOL as you can not get that part to replace at all. The one running from $1100 and up have p2 which is what you need unless you want to pay about $250 to get a new feature string with P2 in it. I have been using an xg100p now for about 2yrs as my goto portable and so far not really had any trouble. Yes the moto might be smaller and or "tac cool looking" but in my book what counts is the preformace of the radio. The moto might withstand rain better but then who is going to be outside in the rain unless it is a rescue and or fire incident to begin with. In the end it all boils down to is what kind of radio do you prefer?

My $400 eBay XG-100P was near mint condition, works perfect and has all the wanted features and a friend of mine also got two in identical condition for about the same price. They seemed to be ex USCG units and didn't come with an antenna or battery. I've seen maybe one APX8000 for $2500 but all the rest are in the $4000 and up category. So is the Harris only 25% of an APX or is it 50% or maybe 75% or maybe more in features and performance? Is an APX8000 really worth 4 or 5 times the cost considering both being used radios???

 

[N4KVE]

My $400 eBay XG-100P was near mint condition, works perfect and has all the wanted features and a friend of mine also got two in identical condition for about the same price. They seemed to be ex USCG units and didn't come with an antenna or battery. I've seen maybe one APX8000 for $2500 but all the rest are in the $4000 and up category. So is the Harris only 25% of an APX or is it 50% or maybe 75% or maybe more in features and performance? Is an APX8000 really worth 4 or 5 times the cost considering both being used radios???

We have look past our noses here. Can one add features to a Harris as easily as a Motorola? Is the RPM software, or FW as easy to find as APX CPS 30, or FW 30 which can already be found online? That’s why Moto radios are more expensive, because it doesn’t matter what’s in them when purchased. Plenty of E-Bay sellers more than happy to add a dozen features for $50. With Harris, what you get is what it is. Unless one is connected to God, that used Harris Phase 1 radio will cost a fortune to upgrade to Phase 2.

 

[northstarfire0693]

We have look past our noses here. Can one add features to a Harris as easily as a Motorola? Is the RPM software, or FW as easy to find as APX CPS 30, or FW 30 which can already be found online? That’s why Moto radios are more expensive, because it doesn’t matter what’s in them when purchased. Plenty of E-Bay sellers more than happy to add a dozen features for $50. With Harris, what you get is what it is. Unless one is connected to God, that used Harris Phase 1 radio will cost a fortune to upgrade to Phase 2.

It's not hard to get a feature string upgrade for a Harris at 100 bucks (if you know where to go). FW upgrades can be done through RPM. Getting the FW can be found online for free, same with RPM. You just have to know where to look.

As far as difference between the two radios, I own both XG 100P and APX 7K. As others have said, the Harris is way much easier to program onto a trunked system for monitoring without risking affiliation. Takes about 3 steps in RPM. Also there is no need for hex editing or sys key software. The radio will just monitor and not mess with the system. System admins generally dont mind a Harris monitoring the system.

The cons on the XG100P are it is a brick. Just like the XTS. Parts can be hard to come by but can be found. It is not as rugged as the APX from what I can tell. If you take care of it, they will last.

The APX line has a much smaller profile then the Harris. Build quality seems better and parts are all over the place. FW and CPS is easy to get through Motorola or other sources.

Cons with the APX. Programing the APX for NAS is very time consuming and has to be done correctly. You will also need to hex edit or syskey generator to make sys keys to program in the system. Very touchy subject with a lot of people to include Motorola and sys admins. The APX if programed correctly can still try to affiliate with the system. Sys admins are not keen on APX NAS on their systems because of the risk.

The other two big cons are the price and hacked APX out there. Finding a legit and cheap APX is rough. You have to really watch.

IMO the Harris is worth the cost vs the Motorola. Some guys have upgraded to the latest XL series and love them. Some guys stick with the XG. You can find XG NOS from a seller on Ebay for 1400. (radio only). I paid 1500 for mine, radio,battery,antenna and charger were all NOS never before used. Well worth the price and no need for FW or feature string upgrades. So I dont have to mess with that, it has all I need.

 

[prcguy]

We have look past our noses here. Can one add features to a Harris as easily as a Motorola? Is the RPM software, or FW as easy to find as APX CPS 30, or FW 30 which can already be found online? That’s why Moto radios are more expensive, because it doesn’t matter what’s in them when purchased. Plenty of E-Bay sellers more than happy to add a dozen features for $50. With Harris, what you get is what it is. Unless one is connected to God, that used Harris Phase 1 radio will cost a fortune to upgrade to Phase 2.

Without giving any details cuz I don't have any to give, I will say the XG-100P and M can be maxed out with features for very low cost. RPM and RPM2 that doesn't report back home to mama is out there among Harris fans. All the latest firmware for the brick and control heads are out there and apparently easy to get. From what I see its similar to the Motorola crowd, someone knows somebody that can do anything you might want done to your radio.

 

[chrismol1]

Where is Pat Harrington? That auction would have been pulled and seller banned for VERO violation, and probably getting nasty demand letters certified mail from Schaumburg. It isn't 2005 anymore and MSI doesn't apparently care.

They don't give a **** anymore. Forget about $40 dollar listings for XTS CPS. They're now selling $100 APX CPS while its available for FREE

 

[tsalmrsystemtech]

Why is everyone bashing a listing for a new radio on Ebay? If you are not in the game then don't bash. Just remember when people bash people that have a business on Ebay or whatever they are just jealous and have nothing going on in their life. Nobody that does well in life and is hustling on a daily basis to become a better man and make money never bashes another seller.

You give another man credit for doing a good job and congratulation on selling radios. That comes to every business online or not.

When you are happy in life you say good job and keep going. The internet has ruined alot of people.

 

[MTS2000des]

Why is everyone bashing a listing for a new radio on Ebay? If you are not in the game then don't bash. Just remember when people bash people that have a business on Ebay or whatever they are just jealous and have nothing going on in their life. Nobody that does well in life and is hustling on a daily basis to become a better man and make money never bashes another seller.

You give another man credit for doing a good job and congratulation on selling radios. That comes to every business online or not.

When you are happy in life you say good job and keep going. The internet has ruined alot of people.

No one is bashing, just pointing out some of us who actually support public safety systems for a paycheck can spot a tube up depot special when we see it, and passing it off with the words "public safety" in the ad line targeting professional users for IDLH use is dumb and dangerous.

First off, he/she is NOT an authorized dealer. This means NO WARRANTY and NO GUARANTEE OF SUPPORT from the maker. Think about this before plopping down his/her/it's ABSURD price. You get NOTHING if it takes a crap. NOTHING. $7500 down the drain, when the same radio, properly configured without these obvious whored out flashcodes and mismatching labels sells for a few hundred more from MSI or an authorized dealer.

If one wishes to pet the seller's pony, so be it. I'm not buying it and it's a public service to let prospective buyers know this is not a legitimate vetted MSI product and the ONLY source for such is MSI itself or an authorized dealer. It's really as simple as that.

 

[12dbsinad]

I’ll add to MTS’s post that the radio is listed “new in box” and new condition in the description. It is not. It’s built with parts and hacked. Not genuine Motorola. That in itself is false advertising and falls directly on the seller. Should be listed as “refurbished” at the very minimum.

 

[N4KVE]

We need to look at the seller’s photos. That FC sure looks whored out. Like the old Nick FC. 4F1E00-9. But yet that FC is clearly printed on the tag. So is the tag bogus? In the info page, it shows original programming info as 12-20-21 programmed with CPS. Not Depot. Has someone figured out a way to cover the fact that it was hit with Depot? And with the radio being built in Dec 2021, they were well past FW/CPS 17, so how could Depot be used on a radio with newer FW/CPS? That last remark I made is a joke, because we all know they can be. I’m not defending the seller, because other similar radios being sold by reliable sellers are $4000. But I’m wondering about that FC printed on the tag, & no mention of Depot. But with the seller having the box, & all the accessories, how can anyone say it’s parts built? Whored out, for sure, but with that FC on the tag, & no mention of Depot in the original programming info, are the hackers that far advanced?

 

[12dbsinad]

We need to look at the seller’s photos. That FC sure looks whored out. Like the old Nick FC. 4F1E00-9. But yet that FC is clearly printed on the tag. So is the tag bogus? In the info page, it shows original programming info as 12-20-21 programmed with CPS. Not Depot. Has someone figured out a way to cover the fact that it was hit with Depot? And with the radio being built in Dec 2021, they were well past FW/CPS 17, so how could Depot be used on a radio with newer FW/CPS? That last remark I made is a joke, because we all know they can be. I’m not defending the seller, because other similar radios being sold by reliable sellers are $4000. But I’m wondering about that FC printed on the tag, & no mention of Depot. But with the seller having the box, & all the accessories, how can anyone say it’s parts built? Whored out, for sure, but with that FC on the tag, & no mention of Depot in the original programming info, are the hackers that far advanced?

People can say it’s parts built because of the inconsistencies. Serial number is 2018. Radio is supposedly 2021. Thing is cobbled together. And it’s been serviced already? Why? It isn’t a new genuine Motorola “out of the box” like the seller wants people to believe.

 

[Tobydog]

Avoid this seller at all costs is my opinion. APX of that caliber likely rebuild

 

[marcotor]

When you are happy in life you say good job and keep going. The internet has ruined alot of people.

You mean like people who endlessly post about their disdain for encryption, find imaginary reasons to to tout it as "unsafe", post over and over as an authority with no clue about how the systems actually work, and then imply there are nefarious reasons behind encryption?

It was posted to note the REFURBISHED/REPAIR tag on the radio, in spite of it being listed as "new in box". As always, I doubt you bothered to read the OP, or some of the comments from the System Admins here.

 

[KevinC]

You mean like people who endlessly post about their disdain for encryption, find imaginary reasons to to tout it as "unsafe", post over and over as an authority with no clue about how the systems actually work, and then imply there are nefarious reasons behind encryption?

It was posted to note the REFURBISHED/REPAIR tag on the radio, in spite of it being listed as "new in box". As always, I doubt you bothered to read the OP, or some of the comments from the System Admins here.

Encryption…what a sham. Everyone knows all systems need to do is flip a switch and everything is encrypted. C’mon man.

 

[prcguy]

Why is everyone bashing a listing for a new radio on Ebay? If you are not in the game then don't bash. Just remember when people bash people that have a business on Ebay or whatever they are just jealous and have nothing going on in their life. Nobody that does well in life and is hustling on a daily basis to become a better man and make money never bashes another seller.

You give another man credit for doing a good job and congratulation on selling radios. That comes to every business online or not.

When you are happy in life you say good job and keep going. The internet has ruined alot of people.

Why give credit to a man that is lying about what he is selling?

 

[RadioCrazy]

Listen gents, this is not rocket science, the fonts are off on the tag, Motorola would never put a flash code of that nature in a APX with a mace. Once again the AES and DES software crypto is for APX900 with out the mace, that’s the point of making a software encryption flash, NO MACE. Everything about this guy’s radios are Bogus, from the tag to the born date to the Ho Flash. And the boxes are easily obtained from sources in China. I would any day take a used APX with a real tag then and new parts built bogus all around crap radio that looks new but is not, It might be one of those stooge network radios the orient is pushing, good luck with this crap, and buyer BEWARE.

 

[tsalmrsystemtech]

So if the radio has a MACE then you can use either hardware encryption or software encryption. That is the beauty of this flashcode.

Look at the positive side of the radio. More options now. The majority of people buying these radios are not even using the encryption piece anyways. I would buy one of these radios.

Also, does anybody know of a place in China where I can obtain these NIB for these Motorola

 

[junior71]

About 99% sure that's "Depot Man"

This is funny right here.

 

[junior71]

Interesting eBay Auction: NEW IN THE FACTORY BOX MOTOROLA APX 8000XE / TAGS / DES & AES256 / PUBLIC SAFETY | eBay

Only $7500! But the radio has an FM label on the housing, and this interesting "Repaired" UL label on the rear

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He sure sells a lot of them though.

 

[tsalmrsystemtech]

I am going to buy one for sure. I am going to go pet the seller's pony right now. Hope he has a furry tail

 

[ThreatLevelMidnight]

This is funny right here.

Heard sometime last year that Mother M wanted to have a chat with him... lol