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Guys,

A fellow member PM'd me about a TG he caught on the West Orange site as 3447. That would be valid as a TG from the NJSP system (55152).

He copied helo traffic to a 1-COMM dispatcher - I see that Elias has that in the Wiki as a StateCom 1 patch...
 

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Guys,

A fellow member PM'd me about a TG he caught on the West Orange site as 3447. That would be valid as a TG from the NJSP system (55152).

He copied helo traffic to a 1-COMM dispatcher - I see that Elias has that in the Wiki as a StateCom 1 patch...

I don't often track the 800 system in Unitrunker, but I happened to the other day and got 25 hits on D77 (55152 on 800, 3447 on 700). So whatever it is, it's active on both systems.

Might be worth noting that it follows right after D75, which is NJSP REMU 4 on the 700 system. Could be REMU testing patches or ISSI 8000 links (someone mentioned in the NJ Turnpike thread possibly hearing an NJICS talkgroup on that system)
 

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It appears that Atlantic Air 1/3 and Cooper 1 are all contacting MONOC on their 700 talkgroup now with flight info.

There appears to be a secondary talkgroup also, 4585. I have only seen 1 hit so far (Atlantic Air).
 

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Like nearly every talkgroup on the NJICS, they'll come up on whatever sites they need to come up on.

In other words, if there is a radio affiliated with a particular talkgroup at a particular site, that's where the talkgroup will be active. Except for a small handful of talkgroups that might be forced to come up on every site (statewide), the system is setup to conserve RF resources by only carrying talkgroups on sites that they need to be on.

No affiliated radio at site = no talkgroup activity at site
 

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Yep. In order to maximize the efficiency of channel resources at each site, the system is setup in an "on demand' fashion. Gone are the days of wide area simulcasts that cover 1/3rd of the state, or even full statewide coverage on every site. Now the talkgroups only come up where they're actually being used. In fact, you will often see radios being denied affiliations with talkgroups on sites they don't need to access, such as the NJ PIP PD on a site in Sussex County.

Good for making the most of channel resources, bad for people with scanners who are used to the very wide area coverage of the 800 MHz system.
 

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and thats why i never hear MONOC on the union co site, the only site i can hear from where i live
Heard MONOC one day on Newark site and it was chopper traffic. Not sure if they use it for anything else.

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So far I have picked up the MONOC talkgroup on the Washington site most of the time (that is probably what they hit at the netcong base) and once on Hunterdon when AA1 had a job in Hunterdon County.

In other news, Park Police and Fish & Wildlife seem to be on 700 nearly full time now that some new radios have been distributed.
 

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question for all. How do the aircraft work the different sites. I would assume with altitude they hit many sites and would get hetrodine such as the ground units get with multiple site reception. can anyone give some insight how the aviation units are not hampered.
 

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question for all. How do the aircraft work the different sites. I would assume with altitude they hit many sites and would get hetrodine such as the ground units get with multiple site reception. can anyone give some insight how the aviation units are not hampered.

Heterodyne is not really an issue with P25 simulcast, as the timing is extremely precise. Naturally this would only apply to simulcast cells, not to the standalone sites.

The aircraft will affiliate with whichever site has the strongest RSSI, so it would roam just as a ground unit would. Obviously while at altitude it would certainly "see" more sites than a ground unit. Still, the same principle applies. The radio will choose the site with the strongest signal and will lock onto that site until the RSSI drops below a predetermined value, at which point it checks the adjacent sites again for a stronger control channel.

The radio doesn't care if a site is a standalone site, or a simulcast cell (which is a virtual "site" compromised of multiple physical locations known as subsites), it'll find the best one and that's the one it'll operate on.

Digital is a lot more forgiving when it comes to simulcasting, in particular with LSM/CQPSK modulation, so it wouldn't be a factor.

PS - This applies to ground units also. They are not affected by heterodyne on this system. Scanners have a tough time with simulcasting, and are negatively affected by multi-path (signals from multiple transmitters on the same frequency hitting the receiver all at once), but the actual radios on the system are designed to handle it just fine.
 

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"The aircraft will affiliate with whichever site has the strongest RSSI"

Is this the case, or will it affiliate with the first site that exceeds the programmed RSSI minimum level for roaming?
 

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In theory, the radio should be content affiliating with the first site it comes across that exceeds a minimum RSSI threshold, but in practice it's not always cut and dry.

There are numerous parameter in the APX codeplug that influence when the radio looks for a better site, and so while it may initially affiliate with a site meeting or exceeding a certain RSSI criteria, it may also jump to a better site a few seconds later even though they both exceed a certain RSSI that would be considered very good or excellent.
 

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I see a TG for Central Safety Service Patrol was added,did they bring it back? Last I read it was just North and South.
 

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The submitter reached out to me directly around noon, and confirmed what you said after checking with the NJDOT website (there are only 2 SSP divisions).

He did catch numerous activations of that TG this weekend, so they still have it in their radios (might have been user-error on the operator's end). Not sure what to call that TG now, other than maybe give it a generic 'Central Division' name...
 

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Anybody else having issues lately decoding the Martinsville site? I'm able to lock in to it, but several times, talkgroups simply will not decode on any of my scanners. I even ran Unitrunker on it and the oscilloscope looks completely distorted from multiple locations.
 
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