New Jersey Transit TRS

[Thunderbolt]

I see that New Jersey Transit, has filed several applications with the FCC, to expand their trunked radio system. Moreover, their are indications that this maybe the start of a new statewide digital system. Are there any plans to construct a new statewide Project 25 system, involving all of the state agencies?

73s

Ron

 

[nosoup4u]

They have serveral filings, each with only 1 or 2 freqs. If you read the attachments, it looks like these are to help them with the rebanding transition.

 

[ScanXO]

I have been lsitening for over a year and do not receive the TRS very well if i listen conventionally i get some Transit Police comms but the control channel in my area is poor to none exsitant - i never get the police on 800 when trunking, anybody know if the nes channels are to address better covergae

 

[Analogrules]

800 MHz frequencies used for buses

I've never heard the Transit PD on their 800 MHz system. The 800 MHz frequencies are primarily used for communication between their bus operators and dispatch. Also, many other private bus companies (owned or subcontracted out by NJT) such as Academy and Coach use their frequencies as well in the 800 MHz band. The NJT police primarily use 160.830 MHz. I believe all their PD frequencies can be found in the RR database. Unfortunately, the NJT bus frequencies are not well described/outlined in the radio reference database. I do have information on the bus frequencies and how they are used in North Jersey if anyone is interested, although I have posted them on here before.

 

[nosoup4u]

I hear NJTPD on 800 all the time. They use it as a secondary channel. I think that they cross band over to 800 somehow. They also use the phone patch via i-call all the time. NJ Transit incident command/special ops also have talkgroups now and can be heard during a train derailment.

 

[Analogrules]

IN that case, they must simulcast on 800 somehow, although I only hear NJT PD on the frequencies outlined in the RR database. (see link below) Are you sure you're not just hearing the bus operators reporting incidents TO the dispatcher, so they can be relayed to the police?? Now, I DO hear that all the time on the 800 band. In fact, the only time the bus operators usually get on the radios is when they want to report something, in most cases traffic problems. I find it hard to believe that NJ Transit PD communicate to EACH OTHER on the 800 band. IF they did, then how would the units using 160.830 stay in the loop??

http://www.radioreference.com/modules.php?name=RR&aid=1601

 

[ScanXO]

loop or not they the Police use 800 from time to time, a week or so on vvhf I heard a 200 unit to a 300 unit "go to 800 ch 100? or was it 101 something to that effect;
I dont hear the system that well so i listen conventionally last year all the MV stops and other calls for newark Penn Station units where going over 800 and not vhf

 

[Analogrules]

Ok, I think I made some sense out of the confusion. If it's really police units you're hearing in the 800 MHz band for NJ Transit, then they must be simulcasting it on VHF so the other units know what's going on, otherwise it doesn't make much sense for certain units to have totally different radios than others. I do realize that they are assigned "talk groups" on their 866 - 868 range frequencies, although I personally never heard them. Most of the activity on those frequencies that I monitor from my location are used by Academy Bus Lines and other private companies owned by NJT. I know for a fact that the Newark Penn Station Units use VHF because I'm in and out of there all the time and close-called them several times on my handheld, 161.370 is now used by Newark Penn Units.

However, I noticed the RR database leaves out the NJT bus frequencies in the 856 - 860 MHz range (North Jersey) (which are used primarily by bus operators to communicate with the base and vice versa). Those frequencies seem to ONLY be used by NJT buses.

 

[transitman]

With all the postings regarding monitoring of NJTransit buses, the following information should be of assistance in identifying who is communicating.

Buses operated directly by NJTransit Bus Operations (NJTBO) use the following frequencies:

Buses assigned to North Jersey garages (Oradell, Market Street, Wayne, Fairview, Meadowlands, Greenville, Ironbound, Hilton, Howell Twp., Orange, Big Tree):

856-860.2375 (5 frequencies) &
856-860.4875 (5 frequencies)

Buses assigned to South Jersey garages (Hamilton, Newton Avenue, Washington Twp., Egg Harbor Twp.):

857.3875
859.3875

This system operates as a non-trunked system (duplex). The radio transmissions from the buses do not go through a repeater, therefore it is necessary to include the mobile frequency (811-815) in your scanner. If you hear a transmission on the moblie frequency, you're near the transmitting unit.

NJTBO road supervisors and the three Light Rail systems (Newark, Hudson-Bergen and River Line) do not use this system. They and some of the other bus companies in New Jersey (not all companies) use the "other" system.

North Jersey 866 - .0125, .4625, .4875, .5125, .9625, .9875
867 - .0125, .4625, .4875,. 5125, .8625, .9875
868 - .0125, .4625, .4875

South Jersey 856.3875
858.3875
860.9875

Note: The frequencies used in South Jersey are also used by New York City Transit buses.

Regarding the question of the NJT Police using the trunked system, they use talk groups 09xxx.

Hope this information helps answer some questions

 

[Analogrules]

Thanks for the additional details relating to the info I posted yesterday. Just one more note, there is also a major NJT bus garage located in Maplewood, NJ on Boyden Ave. From where I live in Union County, those transmissions come in the strongest. They also use some, but not all of the 856 - 860 MHz frequencies mentioned above.

Ben N2ZGE

 

[transitman]

The Maplewood garage you referenced is the Hilton garage (no hotel present)!!!

 

[JHVH-1]

Hello, I am a little confused. I am interested in hearing the Newark Light Rail related frequencies. That includes both the ones the train operators use as well as the transit police (the ones handing out fines on the train etc). I have the NJ Transit system programmed in from the database, and what I usually hear are the Hudson line operators, so maybe I need to move it into a new system so I can listen more carefully.

After reading this thread I am wondering which trunked system is it that the Transit Police are on exactly? Maybe someone can point to where it is the database so I can look at it. Do they operate under NJ Transit or under another police agency?

Next time I see them on the train or at a stop I can try and put on my close call feature to see what I can get.

 

[transitman]

If you're hearing the Hudson-Bergen Light Rail, you have the correct frequencies for the Newark Light Rail. The talk groups are in the 52xxx series while Transit Police (using the trunked system) are 9xxx. I'm not sure if other frequencies are used for fare checks!

 

[ctrabs74]

After reading this thread I am wondering which trunked system is it that the Transit Police are on exactly? Maybe someone can point to where it is the database so I can look at it. Do they operate under NJ Transit or under another police agency?

NJ Transit Police are under the direct supervision of NJT itself. There are some VHF-High Freqs that NJTPD uses.

NJT North: http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?sid=2513
NJT South: http://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?sid=2152

 

[JHVH-1]

Thanks!
I'll double check what got read in automatically next time I am programming my scanner.