New Ontario RCMP system waking up...

[Forts]

I haven't seen any clear activity on the London sites since the early days of the system, with some techs doing some 'test 1-2-3's'. Beyond that I've seen the same thing... had the odd talkgroup pop up here and there but never any audio. Holding on the talkgroup for a bit usually confirms that it is indeed encrypted. I was going to run UT on the sites for a while just to log the groups.... but didn't bother since it says not to submit unidentified talkgroups to the database.

 

[Jay911]

I was through London twice on Monday and Tuesday and monitored sites 001-001 and 001-002. Everything was idle for the brief time (max 2 hours over 2 days) I monitored, but interestingly enough, they are only neighbors of each other - not any other sites.

I'd run UT if I were you. For one thing, you can share it with the rest of us - for another thing, you should submit them as something like "RCMP operations" since that's what they are. They're identified, just not right down to the specific usage.

Another thing to try is running a logging program like ScanRec or, if you have it, an HP1 or a PSR-800, and log/record the channels for later perusal. I do that all the time back home - even on the HP1, all you have to do is create a system in PowerPatrol or some other software that lets you modify your favorites lists. Add the talkgroups you know to be in use (or all the valid talkgroup values, OR wait for the HP1 update that will add ID search ) and let 'er rip.

 

[Muxlow]

I was logging this system for a bit. Monitoring it with UT and recording voice with the HP-1
Didnt get any action thou, but now that the P25 system for the city of london is in the works.. iv moved back to watching that system. I can setup another radio for this system to work with UT but wont be able to grab the voice with the HP-1 since its got another project now

 

[Forts]

Oddly enough when I was out to lunch today there was activity on one of the London sites (not sure which one). Talkgroup was 721, all encrypted. And oddly enough my Pro-106 always shows a RadioID of 0 when there is chatter on this system. Dunno why that is. My 396XT doesn't show anything at all, since it ignores encrypted stuff.

I'll park UT on them for a bit and see what comes by....

 

[Forts]

Hmmm.... UT shows the radio ID as 0 as well. I wasn't aware that 0 was a valid RID in any type of system. Or perhaps something is being misinterpreted on this system...

 

[gary123]

it would be very conveinent to be able to disable the ENC mute feature on the 396/996 series. i will try contacting Uniden and see what they say.

 

[Jay911]

I've been monitoring 1-017 from the Buttonville area and got two or three hits so far. Monitoring using a PSR500 with PC/IF CC Dump into Unitrunker.

TGs 721 and 501 have been seen - only "joins", no comms. Radios 4156317 and 4154711 joined 721, and 4154719 joined 501.

I'll be leaving it running for a while, to see what it sees.

Interestingly enough, while I get site 9 listed as a neighbor, I can't hear it from here, which I would think I would, based on my signal reception for other systems.

 

[Jay911]

Aaaand now I have the calls on 721 with RID 0. It happened almost immediately after radio 4154742 joined 721 (65 seconds after). At this point, several other frequencies were added to my list too.
I had alt cc 421.05 (00-1444), alt cc 421.5 (00-1480), and control channel 421.6 (00-1488) on UT prior to that moment. I now also have voice channels 421.75 (00-1578) and 423.15 (00-1612). I also have 15-4095 LCN shown on my screen, but that's most likely a bad decode.

Actually, looking at it again, 15-4095 shows up first when the first of two calls on 721 happen, and shows up again when the second call occurs. On my activity log, I see radio ID 0 calling on 721, and then radio ID (blank) calling target 0. The same happens on the second call to 721. I wonder if it is either a testing mode while the system is being set up, or if it is some part of the P25 protocol not yet seen in other systems (and thus scanners and programs don't know how to translate that code word).

I always run logging on my receivers and sites in UT, so I will offer this up for analysis to see if there's something unusual compared to other P25 systems, etc.

The site log:

20110725121909,273,Login,I,4156317,I,4156317,0,
20110725121911,273,Joins,I,4156317,G,721,0,
20110725123206,273,Login,I,4154711,I,4154711,0,
20110725123206,273,Joins,I,4154711,G,721,0,
20110725123532,273,Login,I,4154719,I,4154719,0,
20110725123532,273,Joins,I,4154719,G,501,0,
20110725132612,273,Login,I,4154742,I,4154742,0,
20110725132612,273,Joins,I,4154742,G,721,0,
20110725132719,273,Call,I,0,G,721,1578,e3
20110725132719,273,Call, ,0,G,0,65535,-
20110725133020,273,Call,I,0,G,721,1612,e3
20110725133020,273,Call, ,0,G,0,65535,-

The receiver log is much, much larger - if somebody wants it, speak up.

 

[mikewazowski]

Generally RID 0 is a console.

I see it quite often on the Metrolinx system.

 

[Forts]

RID 0 is pretty much all I've seen off one of the London sites, and all the activity has been on group 721.

 

[SCPD]

Someone please confirm this is an EADS system? It seems to have a few quirks that distinguish it from a Motorola system. I'd like to see a log from a site that is operational. For those with Unitrunker in both CC dump and discriminator decoding, which works best for you?

 

[mikewazowski]

Yes, it's an EADS system.

 

[Forts]

Someone please confirm this is an EADS system? It seems to have a few quirks that distinguish it from a Motorola system. I'd like to see a log from a site that is operational. For those with Unitrunker in both CC dump and discriminator decoding, which works best for you?

I can provide you with both if you would like. I'm currently using discriminator output from a Maxtrac but can easily swap in either a 396XT or Pro-106 for CC dump decoding.

 

[mciupa]

This afternoon, on the Toronto West tower ID:743 popped up.

 

[mciupa]

This morning, on King City tower ID: 44

 

[Forts]

Went thru all my logs today and here are the groups I have seen off the London sites:

10, 11, 12, 41 (active today), 501, 585, 595, 596 and 721 (also active today).

 

[mciupa]

Would that be from both London sites combined?

The reason I ask is that until these talkgroups make it into the database, I've been adding them to the WIKI and I've tried to show which t/g was heard on which site.

Go ahead if you want to edit the article.

http://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/Royal_Canadian_Mounted_Police_(RCMP)_(ON)

 

[Forts]

Honestly, I'm not sure now... Some of those were logged shortly after the system came online and I'm not sure which site they were from. If I had to go out on a limb, I'd say likely site 2.

 

[Forts]

Saw tg 565 in use yesterday....

 

[mciupa]

Last night talkgroup 740 was in use off of the King City and a few minutes later, the Toronto West sites.