NEW Paramedics

[rescue7043]

This agency has been around for a couple years, Operated by Gold Cross Ambulance Service. I know that they are paged out over the Brown Co. EMS Freq. 154.040 However, my question is in regards to the PL. I have the Brown Co. EMS freq. in my mobile radio (and the mobiles for the ambulance service in Oconto Co.) The full RX for that Freq. is 154.040 (PL 179.9) The only other service that is paged out on BCEMS is County Rescue, With the frequency listed above I hear ALL of their pages when they go out, however I never hear NEW Paramedics being paged out. I do have an OLD scanner that does not allow the input of PL or DPL (ctcss) so it monitors everything on a given frequency that is entered. On this scanner, I do pick up NEW Paramedics (often contacting Gold Cross Dispatch) My question is are they on the BC EMS Frequency with a different PL and if so what is that PL? I can't seem to find it anywhere on this database and all the Operations Director can tell me is that they operate on Brown Co. EMS

Now, unless my scanners and all mobile radios are completely messed up they are using a different PL. Does this make any sense to any of you? Not sure how they can utilize the repeater with a different PL than what everyone else is using.

 

[RevGary]

Now that you mention it, I haven't heard them being paged either on 154.040 lately. You may wish to try 155.580 from the Oconto County Dispatch center and also check the FCC listing for Gold Cross Ambulance under call sign WQGJ866. That one is listed for their building on Williams Street in Pulaski on 150.9200 and 153.5600.

You can also try the R-R database here for Shawano County in the Fire/EMS listings where you will also find the same Gold Cross/NEW info.

The main Gold Cross UHF repeater on 453.1750 from Calumet County doesn't work very well in Pulaski and I have not heard their N.E.W. units on that system. I do have that RECEIVE ONLY frequency programmed into my Kenwood TK-863G mobile and have heard the G-C Calumet County repeater as far south as West Bend, but it doesn't cover north much farther than Green Bay reliably.

N.E.W. mobiles DO talk with the main Gold Cross Dispatcher on the Brown County EMS repeater regularly. Let me know if you narrow this down a bit more from your own research.

 

[rescue7043]

Thanks for the reply. I do have a bit more info to share on the subject that rules out some of your options. The ambulance service that I am with that has the BCEMS Freq. in the rigs is Mountain Ambulance (Northern Oconto Co.) We monitor OC EMS South, and Shawano Co. I know that NEW has these freqs. in their rigs, but that is not what they are dispatched out on, so not much of a help on that part.

The past few days I have heard NEW contacting GC Dispatch on the 154.040 Freq. but unknown what the PL is as my old scanner does not allow PL. If I had that scanner sitting next to my mobile unit that has BC EMS programmed in (with PL) the scanner would pick up the traffic and not the mobile. I have never been able to hear NEW on any of my mobiles (with correct PL programmed), but can hear County Rescue all day long.

This is something that I've been trying to investigate for a few months and have come up with nothing (hence my posting last night) If you have any other suggestions, I'm open to hearing anything. Would be nice if I knew who programmed their radios and try to see what exactly they have in there.

Matt

 

[djeplett]

I'll listen from over here in Waupaca county, but some Brown county services are a stretch for my Rat Shack 20-176.

I'll check back and let you know what PLs I found. (If any.)

When they page out the NEW units, what do they call them?

 

[rescue7043]

I honestly couldn't tell you what Dispatch calls them when they are paged out as I have NEVER heard them paged out. In fact, I have never heard them on Brown Co. EMS until the other day when I put the freq. into my other scanner without the PL.

If I had to guess from other radio traffic that I have heard they would be NEW Rescue (I believe I have hear NEW Rescue 50 come accross the radio once or twice)

Matt

 

[djeplett]

I just copied a page for Hobart first responders and county rescue and it was the usual 179.9.

I also earlier copied some testing that was very weak into a repeater at 156.7. I thought they might have said "Wood County" but this frequency is not listed here for use in Wood County. The transmission was pretty broken up into what ever repeater I was hearing, though.

 

[triryche]

Keep in mind it is common for a repeater to have multiple output tones (or no tone at all)...

If it hold true here, The reason for it in this case would still remain puzzling however.

 

[djeplett]

I had my PRO97 on as I was working in another room when I heard some transmissions a couple minutes ago. I got back in time to see they are using 156.7 and they were clear this time. Then I heard dispatch talk to a "Medic-50" and ask them did they copy the address was Park Street and they made reference to the "Town of Angelica". This was all 156.7 PL.

 

[djeplett]

OK, I just heard "50" call back to "Gold Cross Dispatch" and it was 156.7 so that should be the PL you want.

I have not sent in an update to the database here. rescue7043, if you could, send in an update to the appropriate places here. I'm not sure if this should be just listed under Brown county or if it should be multiple counties.

 

[triryche]

I have 154.040 156.7 programmed in my mobile as "Tri-County Rescue".. this was probably programmed 3-4 years ago already.

 

[djeplett]

What exactly is the Tri-Counties? I've seen this referenced before and I always wondered what three counties it was.

 

[triryche]

I think it is the Brown/Shawano/Oconto junction area but I am wondering if that wasn't disolved when Gold Cross started running that area..

 

[djeplett]

I have a "Tri-County EMS" listing that I found somewhere that is 153.560. I also have a DPL of 371 with that. Don't ask me where I got that from. Hmm... I also see in Shawano county in the database that 153.560 is listed as Gold Cross in Pulaski...

 

[triryche]

Same here.. have 153.560 in as "Tri-County Pulaski" but have not heard it used nor do I have a CTCSS confirmation on it.. I seem to remember reading somewhere that Gold Cross took over the majority of the old Tri-county coverage area with this NEW outfit also taking a small chunk. Why a different company name if both are run by GC?

 

[rescue7043]

Thanks for all the great info! I will have to program that in and see. Maybe since it is the RX Freq. I will just leave it CSQ in our mobile radios so that we are sure to hear ALL traffic from the agencies that are TX on it.

Q: Why a different company name if both are run by GC?

A: When the ambulance service in that area used to be Tri-County Rescue, it was owned and managed by the towns that they served. The towns still own the building, 2 rigs, and all of the equipment they just have Gold Cross manage and staff the service, there for you have the name change as it is not Gold Cross who owns the service.

Thanks again for helping me out with this one!

 

[djeplett]

rescue7043: Where should this updated PL info for that frequency go in the database here? Just to Brown county? Let me know and I'll submit it.

Then I'm going to listen in to 153.560 and see if that info is correct, too.

 

[rescue7043]

The Freq of 154.040 is the RX Freq. for Brown County EMS. That is where I would submit it to. As triryche stated that freq of 153.560 probably is not in operation any longer. I believe that was a dedicated Freq. for Tri-County Rescue (Similar to Viking Rescue having their own comm system eventhough they are located in Brown Co.)

Seems kinda silly to have 2 different output PL's on the 154.040 when the only services that utilize Brown Co. EMS are County Rescue Svc. and NEW Paramedics.

Not sure how you would want to word it when submiting the change, but based on what you found, this is the information that I have come up with:

Output: 154.040 (179.9) / Input: 158.925 (179.9) - Brown County EMS (County Rescue Svc.)
Output: 154.040 (156.7) / Input: 158.925 (179.9) - Brown County EMS (NEW Paramedics)

This is almost as silly as Brown County having a Simplex Freq. for County Fire. You can hear depts. paged out, but you can not hear anyone talking back to dispatch unless you are down the road from the fire.

 

[triryche]

Someone has told me outside of the forum that NEW is more than likely utilizing an entirely different repeater at a different site with an input of 158.925 (156.7). I guess that makes this even more puzzling.

 

[rescue7043]

So they have a completely different repeater that they are utilizing with the frequencies the same as Brown Co. EMS the only difference is the PL.. hmmmm. All I know is that when this service gets paged out it is done so by Brown County Dispatch, and was told that the Freq. they are paged out on is Brown Co. EMS. I suppose what I was told wasn't entirely false, the only difference is the PL for the input and output. This is more confusing than trying to put a square peg in a round hole!

 

[djeplett]

This is starting to make some sense as to what I was hearing. Once in a while I copied weak signals into a repeater. (I know the repeater signal was not the source of the noise. The noise was on the repeater's input.) I thought I heard testing and a station say "Wood County". If you look at Wood County in the database here, they have Higgins Ambulance Service listed as 155.880 with a PL of 156.7. No repeater input is listed but how much you want to bet the input is 158.925...

If that is the case I wouldn't be surprised if the PL that NEW is using is changed sometime in the near future.

I submitted a change anyway this morning to add the PL info for NEW.