new Port Authority police system

[FireBuff44]

I was talking to my neighbor who works for port authority operations - he said that the port authority cops are getting a new radio system or an upgrade to their current system? Does anyone know more about this and will it still be monitorable after the PA is finished. He said that all he knows is that it is still going to be 800 trunked like it is now. I wondered if they were going digital 800 trunked as part of the new system or not, and if they were getting all new radios? I don't know if its gonna stay an edacs system or not.

thanks

 

[newsnick175]

They have yet to include LAG in the EDACS system they have now. The PA is crying that it has run out of money. Doesn't seam like they could go shopping for a new radio system.

 

[n2nov]

I know they are due to shift their 866-869 Mhz freqs down 15 Mhz due to rebanding.

 

[radiomanNJ1]

The Port of Authority of NY & NJ running out of money.

Well that is the second biggest laugh I ever had. First was that Open Sky would work.

Rebanding might be giving them an excuse to obtain a new system. All the 866-868 freqs. will be shifted down 15/mhz. Some of the radios are not capable of rebanding and get replaced by Sprint Nextel. The Ports system is old and has been around a long time. They lost it 9/11 when the WTC was attacked by killer muslim terrorists.

Sprint is not paying for upgrades to digital or anything like that.

 

[AJP402]

PAPD Radio System

Hey hey, I just came across this post. I just programmed the PAPD 800 Trunked system into my BC796, and not much luck so far. I'm in New Rochelle, NY, not too far away, but I'm not grabbing any transmissions. I'm not certain if I have it programmed correctly - I opted for the AFS talkgroup codes instead of the decimal hex format. I'll find out I guess.

Also, I noticed that when the scanner did stop on a frequency in the PAPD pool, it indicated APCO25 - so maybe that is the new "upgrade" that people are referring to.

 

[nyscan]

Can anyone advise at which PANYNJ facilities are the conventional frequencies still used for police operations?

 

[n2nov]

Can anyone advise at which PANYNJ facilities are the conventional frequencies still used for police operations?

Eventhough some use the 800 system, like the Lincoln Tunnel, they are still heard on UHF.
From Port Authority Conventional & EDACS Trunked System

PORT AUTHORITY CONVENTIONAL SYSTEM
453.400 /PL 110.9 CENTRAL POLICE DESK
453.650 /PL 100.0 JFK OPS #2
453.650 /PL 123.0 LGA PAPD/OPS
453.650 /PL 136.5 EWR OPS
453.800 /PL 100.0 GW BRIDGE
453.800 /PL 123.0 HOLLAND TUNNEL
453.800 /PL 136.5 SI BRIDGES (BAYONNE/GOETHALS/OUTERBRIDGE)
453.375 /P25 NAC450 JFK LIGHT RAIL SYSTEM - "AIR TRAIN"
453.375 /PL 110.9 FREEDOM TOWER/WTC
453.375 /PL 123.0 LINCOLN TUNNEL
453.3875/? JERSEY CITY HQ SIMPLEX
453.4875/? JFK - UNKNOWN USE
453.475/? STEWART INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT
453.975/? STEWART INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT
470.5625/PL 141.3 BUS TERMINAL (WAS WTC MAINT.)
470.5625/PL 100.0 JFK OPS #1
470.5625/PL 167.9 EWR MAINT.
470.5625/PL 110.9 PASSENGER SHIP TERMINAL
470.5875/PL 156.7 WTC MAINT. (OLD)
470.5875/PL 179.9 EWR MAINT.
470.5875/PL 127.3 JFK AIRTRAIN OPS
470.5875/PL 136.5 TELEPORT OPS
470.6125/PL 127.3 BUS TERMINAL OPS (WAS WTC MAINT.)
470.6125/PL 167.9 EWR MAINT.
470.6125/PL 100.0 JFK MAINT.
470.6125/PL 110.9 BKLYN PIERS
470.6125/PL 123.0 PASSENGER SHIP TERMINAL
470.6125/PL 136.5 YONKERS INDUSTRIAL PARK
452.325 /PL 162.2 BUS TERMINAL GATE OPS
852.575 /? BUS TERMINAL (TEMPORARY 11/24/08-1/6/09)
851.750 /? TETERBORO AIRPORT
150.995 /PL 110.9 LINCOLN TUNNEL MAINT.
151.115 /PL 110.9 BUS TERMINAL
151.115 /PL 123.0 LGA RUNWAY GROUND OPS/SNOW PLOWS
151.115 /PL 156.7 JFK RUNWAY GROUND OPS/SNOW PLOWS
153.755 /PL 110.9 BUS TERM MAINT.
154.965 /? PASSENGER SHIP TERMINAL/BKLYN PIERS
155.160 /? JFK MEDICAL OFFICE
121.650 EWR GROUND CONTROL
121.700 LGA GROUND CONTROL
121.900 JFK GROUND CONTROL
122.900 AIR WORKING CHANNEL
122.950 AIR WORKING CHANNEL
123.050 AIR WORKING CHANNEL
123.075 AIR WORKING CHANNEL
123.100 AIR WORKING CHANNEL
160.470 /PL 107.2 PATH TRAIN OPS
161.040 /PL 107.2 PATH POLICE OPS
161.460 /PL 107.2 PATH MAINT./EMERG.
161.535 /PL 107.2 PATH CAR MAINT./YARD OPS
452.875 /PL 123.0 PATH HENDERSON YARD OPS
453.3875/? PATH HENDERSON YARD OPS
160.425 /? PATH HENDERSON YARD OPS

 

[nyscan]

Eventhough some use the 800 system, like the Lincoln Tunnel, they are still heard on UHF.

I'm well aware of your excellent site but I'm looking to find out which facilities still use the conventional system as their primary system as opposed to having switched completely to the EDACS system.

 

[n2nov]

I'm well aware of your excellent site but I'm looking to find out which facilities still use the conventional system as their primary system as opposed to having switched completely to the EDACS system.

I think that you're missing what I am saying. Eventhough an agency has been using the 800 system, they are still heard on their own or the Central Police Desk freqs. The Lincoln Tunnel, the three S.I. Bridges, the GW Bridge, the Bus Terminal, etc. Don't exclude one system for another. That's why even on my old(er) BC780 I have both the EDACS and the conventional freqs in the same bank/system folder so that I do not miss anything.

 

[nyscan]

Ok...I think i got you. But it is not simulcast, right? Isn't one of the systems considered primary at a facility? By primary I mean... the one that would be the go-to in an emergency....the one that jobs would be dispatched on...etc.

 

[tvnews]

Something is up with the PAPD Edacs system. I live near Newark Airport and have listened to NIA for years (orig on 453.650 then on the Edacs system). I just realised that I have not heard anything for a few days on the Edacs system. I checked out the control channel and I am hearing that. I locked out the cc and scanned the voice channels and I have not heard anything. No repeaters keying up, no white noice of digital, nothing. BTW I am listening to the rebanded freqs.

NYSCAN, to answer you question.... All the PA facilitys have the 800 Mhz Edacs Trunked equipment. However the usage of the system varies. For example Newark Airport and JFK are mostly on the system. The other facilitys like GWB, LT, etc mostly use the UHF freqs. BUT at times you will hear the locations come up on 800 trunked.

Nothing haveing to do with PAPD is engraved in stone. N2NOV gave you everything you need. You are just going to have to listen and decide for your self what you want to scan.

And right now something is happening with the 800 Edacs system and Nwk and JFK are no place to be heard.

 

[ScanXO]

for at least 4 days they are NOT on the trunk system, once in a while i hear CPDesk on 852.375
which was part of the trunk but its not trunking...
they Kenndy & newark are not on old 453 freq's....

 

[usnasa]

Port Auth Order ?

can someone tell me the order in which to put this in is it this order :


Site Hex Name
001 1 Primary 01 851.21250 02 851.81250 03 852.37500 04 853.60000 05 852.87500 06 853.55000 07 853.91250
002 2 Holland Tunnel 01 851.41250 02 852.78750
003 3 World Trade Center 01 851.07500 02 851.38750c 03 853.10000
004 4 JFK 01 852.08750 02 852.62500 03 853.33750

OR

Primary System: 1 – 851.2125, 2 – 851.8125, 3 – 852.3750, 4 - 853.6000, 5 - 852.8750, 6 - 853.5500, 7- 853.9125
Freedom Tower/World Trade Ctr: 1 - 851.075, 2 - 851.3875, 3 - 853.100
Possible JFK System: 1 - 852.0875, 2 - 852.625, 3 - 853.3375
Holland Tunnel freqs, but they are not in the FCC database for the Port Authority: 1-851.4125, 2 - 852.7875

two different sites have the order different can someone please advise ?

 

[n2nov]

can someone tell me the order in which to put this in is it this order :

Site Hex Name
001 1 Primary 01 851.21250 02 851.81250 03 852.37500 04 853.60000 05 852.87500 06 853.55000 07 853.91250
002 2 Holland Tunnel 01 851.41250 02 852.78750
003 3 World Trade Center 01 851.07500 02 851.38750c 03 853.10000
004 4 JFK 01 852.08750 02 852.62500 03 853.33750

OR

Primary System: 1 – 851.2125, 2 – 851.8125, 3 – 852.3750, 4 - 853.6000, 5 - 852.8750, 6 - 853.5500, 7- 853.9125
Freedom Tower/World Trade Ctr: 1 - 851.075, 2 - 851.3875, 3 - 853.100
Possible JFK System: 1 - 852.0875, 2 - 852.625, 3 - 853.3375
Holland Tunnel freqs, but they are not in the FCC database for the Port Authority: 1-851.4125, 2 - 852.7875

two different sites have the order different can someone please advise ?

You are talking about four separate systems. For the main PAPD operations, use the first system with seven frequencies only. The others are supposed to be specific for their locations unless we get definitive word otherwise.

 

[usnasa]

only the first system what about the other three ? and thanks

 

[maalox]

i have not heard anything on papd trunking in quite a while....anyone no whats up...

 

[gewecke]

All I know is the new york city transit authority ordered 125 dig/analog delay modules from our company,some of which I built. They said this is only a portion of the equipment ordered to revamp their comm.system since 9/11
Integrated Control Systems
N9ZAS.

 

[ff026]

All I know is the new york city transit authority ordered 125 dig/analog delay modules from our company,some of which I built. They said this is only a portion of the equipment ordered to revamp their comm.system since 9/11
Integrated Control Systems
N9ZAS.

2 totally different agencies and totally different systems!

 

[SCPD]

Union: JetBlue Terminal
Is Radio Dead Zone
Updated: Tuesday, 23 Jun 2009, 12:25 AM EDT
Published : Tuesday, 23 Jun 2009, 12:19 AM EDT

Reported by LISA EVERS
MYFOXNY.COM EXCLUSIVE - Millions of passengers will pass through the JetBlue terminal at John F. Kennedy Airport this year. But according to some police officers, something is missing from the terminal that could put travelers in danger -- police radio reception.

We know what it's like to walk into a place where there is a dead zone service. That is what happens to radios when Port Authority police officers walk into the terminal, which is one of the airport's busiest.

The union that represents Port Authority cops says that officers are given Nextel phones to compensate for the loss of radio signal when they enter the terminal so they can talk to each other and the dispatcher.

The union president, Paul Nunziato, says an urgent radio call that would normally take seconds on the police radios now takes minutes while officers scroll down a phone list on the Nextel. He also says cops sometimes can't even get through.

A police report obtained exclusively by Fox 5 News shows that help to an 85-year-old woman last week with breathing difficulties was delayed by three minutes due to no Nextel service. And reports showed delays in response time in two separate gun incidents this month along.

Another problem is that cops or paramedics who also respond can't easily communicate with the cops inside.

Port Authority officials say the terminal is safe and that the agency is continuing to enhance the safety measures. The authority says it is installing a new airport communication system and has deployed extra police to airport terminals to ensure safety.

The Port Authority told Fox 5 that a radio repeater system will be installed within the next 6 to 12 months.

The union says they'll believe it when they see it.

 

[roilco]

Lincoln Tunnel PAPD

Hey guys anyone knows where did the Lincoln Tunnel Police went to.