New PPS Version V00-04-00_Beta31 Released

[RaleighGuy]

New PPS Version V00-04-00_Beta31 released today and on the website

Downloads- G2-G5 P25 Voice Pager | Unication USA

Access PPS (Pager Programming Software), Product Manuals, Brochures and other resources for the G-Series P25 Voice Pagers.

www.unicationusa.com

IMPORTANT: Export your profile(s) from V30. Import them with V31. All Public resource data will be automatically imported.

Release Notes:
V00-04-00_Beta31 2023/06/28

1. Added the Australia country option to the parameter import feature in Radio Reference.
2. Resolved the issue causing parameter programming failure when entering single or double quotation marks in Knob Alias.
3. Implemented a data input validation mechanism on the user interface, automatically restoring the field's default value if the entered data format does not meet the requirements.
4. Fixed the issue of displaying blank lines in the Home Screen Detail view.
5. Resolved the problem of importing P25 Trunking System parameters from Radio Reference data when there are two Control CH frequencies with different bands.
6. Set the default values in the Private Call ID configuration screen (including Trunking SUID) of a new Profile as follows: Alert Mode - Tone (default), Alert Tone - None (default).
7. Set the default values for a new Profile as follows: All ID - Alert Mode: Tone (default), Alert Tone: None (default).

 

[texas1313]

It appears they also fixed the Sub-Group Feature / Sub-Group "Alternatives", so now when "Alternatives" is un-checked, no audio is passed until it hears the correct 2-tone group. Now my G5 is a pager again! Thank you Unication!

 

[Reconrider]

Is there a pdf on how to work this new pps?
The one on the website is the old one and doesn't help me.
I can't figure out how to import conventional stuff from RRdb like we used to do on 3.29 or whatever it was

 

[texas1313]

The video "G2-G5 PPS V4" video on the Unication website may be of some help.

Downloads- G2-G5 P25 Voice Pager | Unication USA

Access PPS (Pager Programming Software), Product Manuals, Brochures and other resources for the G-Series P25 Voice Pagers.

www.unicationusa.com

 

[ffexpCP]

I exported and imported all my files. Most work, but the most important and recent ones do not. They were most recently programmed with V00-03-16-29F and run 1.34. I tried to read directly and its no better. Looks like a problem from PPS D to F?

 

[Echo4Thirty]

What happens when you read them out of the devices into the new version?

 

[ffexpCP]

First screenshot is from attempting to open profile from the pps menu. Second screenshot is trying to read from device.

 

[Echo4Thirty]

Ok, i think I am going to keep our fleet at 3.16. 4;.0 has been a huge pain for us and it doesn't look like its getting any better with each revision.

 

[RaleighGuy]

I exported and imported all my files. Most work, but the most important and recent ones do not. They were most recently programmed with V00-03-16-29F and run 1.34. I tried to read directly and its no better. Looks like a problem from PPS D to F?

Unication has said, V3 PPS files lack compatibility with the V4 PPS, if you are upgrading to V4 you need to create a new PPS. The export/import advice was for those moving from V4.30 to V4.31.

While some will work, it will not provide access to features V4 was designed to fix and/or add.

 

[RaleighGuy]

Ok, i think I am going to keep our fleet at 3.16. 4;.0 has been a huge pain for us and it doesn't look like its getting any better with each revision.

If it works for you, great.

The majority of the issues (though not all) I've noticed happen when people try to use the V3 PPS code plug in V4 and do not create new V4 code plugs. I have not had any issues with the programming on my G5 using V4.

 

[Echo4Thirty]

Unication has said, V3 PPS files lack compatibility with the V4 PPS, if you are upgrading to V4 you need to create a new PPS. The export/import advice was for those moving from V4.30 to V4.31.

While some will work, it will not provide access to features V4 was designed to fix and/or add.

For many (most?) this simply isn't practical. I have numerous customers that I have to maintain and to have to go rewrite them all would take a monumental amount of time.

Not to mention some hobbyist profiles I have seen would take them hours to rebuild. I suspect a lot of folks are going to skip this release if their program cannot be read out of a radio into the new software.

Unication seems to be in a bubble as to how much time it takes to build a profile.

 

[RaleighGuy]

For many (most?) this simply isn't practical. are.

Unication seems to be in a bubble as to how much time it takes to build a profile.

Totally agree with you and understand what you are saying and where frustration comes from. My comments are directed towards those who want the best of both worlds, want to upgrade, but fail to follow the instructions given on how to properly do it.

If you are updating do it correctly, otherwise stick with what you have.

 

[Echo4Thirty]

If it works for you, great.

The majority of the issues (though not all) I've noticed happen when people try to use the V3 PPS code plug in V4 and do not create new V4 code plugs. I have not had any issues with the programming on my G5 using V4.

I don't doubt that if I decided to dedicate the time to this and created a new profile, it would work fine. What I am saying is I cannot justify this time. We support fire departments and even to move their department pagers to this new platform would mean we either charge them for HOURS of programming or we eat it internally.

Even if I just take our internal file that we provide to hobby folks, that's a lot of programming to capture what they want to hear around here on TxWarn.

What is so critical from 3.16 to 4.0 that would make someone want to start from scratch with their programming? I'm asking that as a serious question. I have read through the files but feel like I am missing some feature or fix that is critical.

 

[RaleighGuy]

What is so critical from 3.16 to 4.0 that would make someone want to start from scratch with their programming? I'm asking that as a serious question. I have read through the files but feel like I am missing some feature or fix that is critical.

Two of the main features I like and use as I program other pagers is the ability to store multiple systems in the C tab public resources and import from there to multiple code plugs, rather than reload/import the same system and TGs multiple times.

Also, the separation of talkgroups by system, rather than having thousands of TGs, some duplicated which weren't allowed in the old V3 PPS, to search through when adding them to a code plug.

 

[ffexpCP]

Unication has said, V3 PPS files lack compatibility with the V4 PPS, if you are upgrading to V4 you need to create a new PPS. The export/import advice was for those moving from V4.30 to V4.31.

While some will work, it will not provide access to features V4 was designed to fix and/or add.

Where do you see this?


This is the info I see:

WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW:

• New units shipped June 2023 and after can ONLY be programmed using PPS version 4.0 and do not support programming with any past PPS versions.
• New PPS 4.0 is compatible with old and new pagers and will be the current PPS for all G-Series G2-G5 Pagers moving forward.
• CP Files created in older PPS versions can be converted to the new PPS 4.0

 

[RaleighGuy]

Where do you see this?


This is the info I see:

WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW:

• New units shipped June 2023 and after can ONLY be programmed using PPS version 4.0 and do not support programming with any past PPS versions.
• New PPS 4.0 is compatible with old and new pagers and will be the current PPS for all G-Series G2-G5 Pagers moving forward.
• CP Files created in older PPS versions can be converted to the new PPS 4.0

What I typed was what Unication put out when it was first released in the now disbanded Beta Group in Facebook about six months ago, version 4.20. Also, converted and imported to are two different things.

 

[blackbelter]

Not to mention that in order to work with the PPS 4.0, you must upgrade to FW 1.3 or higher...but wait there is no FW on the Unication site to update.

 

[blackbelter]

Ray is kind enough to send me the FW 1.4.
Thank you sir.

 

[RaleighGuy]

Ray is kind enough to send me the FW 1.4.
Thank you sir.

Hmmm I hadn't heard of FW 1.4, most recent beta I knew about was 1.35 but it was pulled after being leaked.

 

[blackbelter]

I misspoke , 1.3 the FW in which Ray sent. I am still not sure if I would invest the time to recreate hours of work here in creating the new 4.0 PPS.

While I look forward to any type of improvements, I fail to understand of why Unication migration to a new PPS involves hours of work in part of the users. Coders should have been able to manage this process easier.