new Rome City radio system to be trunked UHF

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I learned from the Oneida County 911 acting director that Rome will be replacing its EDACS radio system with a Kenwood UHF trunking system. Apparently the frequencies Rome uses are being transferred over to Nextel and EDACS will be going into obsolescence by Harris. I don't know more than that for now, so stay tuned.
 
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They are probably extending the CNY regional P25 network into Oneida County.
 

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EDACS going into obsolescence? What will Utica and NHPD do? And all the private users on JPJ's accounts???

This spells trouble...
 

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If it's a Kenwood system there is the *possibility* it could be NEXEDGE.

With rebanding, the old frequencies do get transferred to Sprint-Nextel, but the licensee receives a 1 for 1 frequency swap with a different 800 MHz channel first. The issue here may be that their radios can not be rebanded and would require replacement (at Sprint-Nextel's cost). For whatever reasons, the agency may have chosen to switch radio systems instead of going through rebanding.
 

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Someone is speaking with only half information. I know where the "Kenwood" reference came from, and it wasn't from anyone in Rome. This "rumor" was relayed to me earlier Wednesday morning. When the time comes all information will be readily available to all interested parties.
 

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Someone is speaking with only half information. I know where the "Kenwood" reference came from, and it wasn't from anyone in Rome. This "rumor" was relayed to me earlier Wednesday morning. When the time comes all information will be readily available to all interested parties.
all this coming from the county that is still kinda mystified about the whole consolidation of PSAPs too.
 
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I don't remember where c0untyb0y works, but evidently he is not all the way in the loop.
 

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I will admit that EDACS is an aging system platform, but it is NOT being dropped by Harris, at least not anytime soon. Harris IS pushing P25 systems for public safety and public service agencies but we can still get -almost- anything we need to keep the systems up and running as well as new radios to sell to our EDACS customers.

However, if Harris has a preference when bidding a public safety digital system, it will more than likely be P25.

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I don't remember where c0untyb0y works, but evidently he is not all the way in the loop.
would that be a microwave or fiber loop???

anyway... it is what I heard from the county boys. heh... ironic, eh? so if what they're telling me is incorrect then I apologize for starting this thread with bad information. but... it got me thinking today while at the TSRC that could the county be talking about Rome getting a MPT-1327 system like the Turning Stone has? but that isn't Kenwood per se, but the Stone runs with Kenwood equipment.

I'll go back to sleep at those meetings from now on. kinda boring anyway.
 

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I will admit that EDACS is an aging system platform, but it is NOT being dropped by Harris, at least not anytime soon. Harris IS pushing P25 systems for public safety and public service agencies but we can still get -almost- anything we need to keep the systems up and running as well as new radios to sell to our EDACS customers.

However, if Harris has a preference when bidding a public safety digital system, it will more than likely be P25.

Kevin
the remark about EDACS obsolescence was from the State Parks people, and they just bought the new line of Harris P25 dual band equipment.
 
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Here are the facts:

Rome is going P25 on UHF.

Rome's system will have a tie-in to the regional system.
 

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Here are the facts:

Rome is going P25 on UHF.

Rome's system will have a tie-in to the regional system.
Rome Police & Fire? Great...another system to add in the mix. JPJ's claim to fame is running multiple systems and just using inter-system links to make them interoperable.

Very interesting though. It would be nice, once the PSAP consolidation is complete, to see every police and fire agency in Oneida County come under one system. Quite a capital investment, I know.

We shall see...
 

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hi, remember me...

...the guy that last year said Rome was going to put their EDACS system to bed with a new UHF trunking system and that some of you said that I had only half the correct information about it? well I guess it took me this long to get, as Paul Harvey would have said, the rest of the story.

STRAIGHT from the mouth of the fella who runs the local radio shop around here and is putting this new system in place, as he stated and these were his words, "it's a digital system that can't be listen to with radio scanners". there are two tower sites in the city and testing is going to be conducted on it within the coming month, with the former 800 MHz system going silent. as such, unless you have one of this fella's whiz-bang radios, no one in scannerland - myself included - will be able to monitor. he didn't say what the format of the system was; I am naturally assuming with the same vendor's work at the local Indian casino being MPT1327, that's my guess. ok, so I don't have the complete "rest of story" but it was pretty darn close to what I told you all back last April. and before you jump on my head and down my throat, I do know that you can monitor MPT1327 with Winradio. since I can't even hear Rome now as it is from my house I'm not going to be missing anything after the switch.

so if you are in earshot of Rome's EDACS today, enjoy what you can hear for now because by the end of September it'll be gone.
 

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You are correct! and it is a Kenwood NEXEDGE system. I can pick up the control channels on 453.0500 and 453.1875. No scanner can monitor it.... oh well!

I checked the FCC database and there is the emission designator 4K00F7W & 4K00F1D which is Kenwood NEXEDGE digital. WQMC671 is the call sign.


Later!

John
 
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So much for P25 being the ultimate open standard. Now we have public safety agencies going to NEXEDGE and MOTOTRBO all over the place. Sheesh...
 

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It was being set up to be a P25 system, look at the original license, before it was modifed to NXEDGE masks. Knowing how the NXEDGE system is set up in Rome, there are natural defects in the design.

The excuse used was a cost issue...funny part was they never priced TRBO...it was cheaper by about 10%
 
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The excuse used was a cost issue...funny part was they never priced TRBO...it was cheaper by about 10%
well now, so much for low bidder! if I were a Roman, I'd ask for a review of how my hard earned tax dollars were spent.

at least it's just a city digital unmonitorable system within a VHF analog county. now that county EMS agencies are bring toned out for their calls, it may actually not be totally impossible to hear what's going on in Rome.
 
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