SDS100/SDS200: New sds100 p25 phase 2 simulcast reception breaks up

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Still trying to figure out my new sds100, I am now trying to monitor 150MHtz/450MHtz. I have a Radio Shack Pro97 along side my sds100 both using a Diamond RH77CA antenna. The Pro 97 out performs the sds100. Any advice for the sds100 settings at these frequencies would be very much appreciated.
 

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It's unlikely the programming settings are the same. You'd have to provide programming details for both scanners before anyone could begin to help.
 

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Also poster, please include your state, county and most importantly your home town. When I first got my sds100 in June of 2018 it ended up going in a drawer. It did not work on my P2 simulcast system and I tried everything available at that time including the remtronix antenna and a system hold time of 255 seconds as recommended by Uniden. When the filters came out I tried them. Took it out of the drawer, dusted it off, put the firmware in... I discovered that invert filter fixed the problem, then the second set of filters came out and I found that wide invert worked even better.

There are other adjustments also you can try but first we need to see your system you're having a problem with. State, county and especially home town please.
 

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Sorry for the confusion original poster I thought this was a new thread, my mistake oh, I see this is an old thread and this is all been hashed out. Sorry, so now you're having issues with UHF and VHF High?
 

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Okay thanks now... I emphasized that it's so important for you to say what your hometown is. What does the lettering say on the side of the police cars that Patrol your street?
 

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So that we are on the right page here these are the frequencies you listen to for your local police and fire and the phase one Statewide system for your state police... Correct?
 

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Okay. I'm in the process of making up the profile of all the counties and the Stars system. I have to re-read This Thread also and I'll get back to you. I guess my biggest question would be is what is the phase 2 800 megahertz system that you were having a problem with in the title of your thread? And why are you using an 800 megahertz antenna at all? I still have two counties to go but so far all I see is VHF high with a smattering of UHF including your Statewide Stars system. It's all VHF High. An 800 megahertz antenna is not going to work well on VHF High. So that might be something you want to do is take off the 800 megahertz antenna and as terrible as the stock antenna is use that. I'll get back to you post all of your profile frequencies.
 
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I also have a home in Portsmouth Va., the system there is p25 phase 2 simulcast this is where I use the 800mhtz antenna, While at my place in Blackstone Va I'm using the Diamond RH77CA antenna.
 

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Okay that's good to know. It looks like Mecklenburg is converting over to or is on now a 400 megahertz DMR system so if you don't have the option I'll leave that out. I'm just going to give you now the list of what I found and then I will look into Portsmouth.PSX_20210226_054246.jpgPSX_20210226_051948.jpgPSX_20210226_051414.jpgPSX_20210226_044223.jpg
 

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You know before I look at Portsmouth, I just have a few questions. Do I need to, is that system working for you now with no problems and it is just these counties that you're having an issue with? What is the issue? They're breaking up? You are using a good antenna. I'm assuming you are a newbie because you just joined and have very few posts. Don't know what your level is of understanding of the sds100 is.
 

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Well poster I'm going to make some suggestions and see how it works for you. I read this thread now and I remember it and no one actually looked at your system because we didn't even know your location.

As far as your issues here your hometown police should be coming in well. I don't know how far away you are from the other counties, you simply might be out of range. A note about Brunswick County, they are using conventional p25 which will allow them to encrypt and sure enough the Sheriff's Office does use partial encryption. It's listed as partial but it could be full-time.

I also notice I made one post here, post number 2, things started to go all over the place and since it wasn't acknowledged I moved on.

Post number 2 gives you a very detailed way to properly apply the filters the way they were meant to be done step by step, why don't you read that post again, however, that was applying filters to a system, you will be applying filters to Conventional objects.

The method of picking the proper filter sampling global filters as I described is the same, it's a little more tedious because you have to wait for a transmission. When you find a filter that improves reception on a conventional frequency and return Global filters to normal as per default, you drill down to Department options of that frequency to permanently apply the filter that worked the best. It will affect every frequency in that department which is fine because they'll all call for the same filter anyway. You also can't use error rate as a real time indication of reception because it's not a system.

Remember, avoid Auto filters as they will slow down scanning and remember to transfer the changes to your profile in Sentinel to save the filter changes. You are doing this on the radio itself to see real time results.

Read post number 2 again and then apply the method changes described in this post.
 
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Buy and use this antenna... Adjust your filters. First use Global filters wide invert, invert and wide normal. Forget the auto filters. If you see an improvement with your real time RSSI, noise level and error rate then remember that filter and return Global filter to normal which is default and which affects every object on your radio.

Use the filter that improved reception and drill down to site options and apply it to the site or sites that you are using, should never be more than a few. The reason you are avoiding Auto filters is because they sample every filter on every object slowing scanning way down. Some will claim that RSSI doesn't matter... Use your ear if you want, you'll know Improvement when you hear it. Make sure to put your filter indicator on your display as that will help. You could always try a one or two second system hold time on the phase 2 system in system options.

Remember you're doing this right on the radio not on Sentinel. You're doing it on the radio because you want real-time results from listening with your ear and seeing the results on your display. Once you have made the changes to site options with the improved filter then you will want to hook up to Sentinel and transfer the card to your profile as to save your on radio changes.
What filter setting do I set for the departments while I am trying the three global settings? What do you mean that "...it should never be more than a few"?
 

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Okay, here we go. By default Global filter is set to normal. Every object on the radio that's programmed in the radio including the database is set to normal filter. If you change Global filter from normal to another filter or off that will affect every object on the radio, systems or conventional frequencies to that filter you choose in global. Every system by default is set to Global. Every Channel is set to Global unless you go in and change it to another filter.

So what you are doing is sampling Global filters but you're just observing one system or one conventional Channel while you are sampling different Global filters. You really are only sampling wide invert, invert, wide normal or off because by default you have already sampled normal because that's what Global is set at all the time. We don't want to use Auto because that samples multiple filters on every object and slows scanning way down. The global filters are only there to be used temporarily to sample how filters affect a system or conventional frequency.

Systems have sites. A Statewide system could have multiple sites but you would avoid all but one or two that are close to you because you don't want to scroll through every site in the state. Some simulcast systems only have one site called simulcast. So let's say you find a filter that works better on the system you're having a problem with, write it down on a piece of paper. Return Global to normal filter which is the default because you may have many other objects in the radio that work well on normal. Then you would go into the site options of the system you want to improve and change the filter from Global to the filter that showed an improvement. Now that filter is just on the site or sites of that one system that it helped improve when you sampled the global filters.

If you were trying to improve a conventional frequency and you found that during your Global sampling that conventional frequency worked better with a certain filter then you would go into Department options of that frequency and change the filter setting from Global to the specific filter that you found improvement with. Unfortunately you can't set a filter to one specific Channel it has to be the department of that channel so you will be changing all the channels in that department to the new filter setting which is okay because often they're similar frequencies and now that new filter will be set just to those channels or conventional frequencies that the new filter improved.

Filters are used for troubleshooting only, most objects work well on normal filter which the global setting is set for meaning that if you do nothing everything is on global and usually it works good but when it doesn't work good you need to go in and change the filter on that specific system or frequency. The reason that you don't set the improved filter on the global setting means that now every object in the radio will be on that new filter. Maybe that new filter will help one system or one conventional frequency but it'll compromise every other object that works better on normal.

You are new to the radio and it is a very steep learning curve so just keep this post for the future and get to know your radio better. Learn about sites. You should always have the minimum number of sites activated to hear what you want to hear.

Learn about the display and how to change the display by removing or adding things and then you can add the filter indicator to the display and on every object see what filter is set, most objects say normal unless you have gone in to a system site or a department of a conventional Channel and changed it permanently.

I know this is all Greek to you right now but get to know your radio better and then come back to this and you'll understand it better. You need to become familiar with RSSI readings, you need to get familiar with noise level readings, you need to get familiar with error rate because these are the indicators that you will use to see an improvement in a system. A conventional Channel won't have an error rate so it would be RSSI and noise level that would indicate an improvement. Some people say that RSSI is not a good way to do it that it's all noise level, basically what RSSI is it just an S meter. Improved s meter readings can be noise sometimes. I personally use RSSI.

As I say this is all Greek to you and you need to get to know your radio better, radio reference has a tremendous amount of resources so get familiar with sites, modifying the display, RSSI readings, noise level readings and error rate and proper filter setting will eventually come to you.

One last note about the filters, what works for you doesn't necessarily work for me, it depends on your RF environment. You can't just make a blanket statement like I've heard people say that they turn all their filters off and the radio works better and they suggested other people do it, it works for them where they sit but it doesn't mean it's going to work for you. I could tell you to put your P2 system on wide invert because it works on mine but that doesn't mean it's going to work on yours. It depends on your RF environment and speaking of that... On your conventional frequencies that you're having a problem with you always have the option of toggling function 7 while sitting on a conventional object. If it improves things leave it, if it doesn't improve things toggle It Off.

How's all that grab you? Hey, you asked :LOL:
 
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Thank you very much, I appreciate the advice/explanation. I will do as you suggested and become more familiar with the topics you covered.Good day.
 

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Google is your friend. Even though I hate the company. If you want to know about error rate then Google error rate readings on a sds100. It will take you right to all of the threads and information about the subject. If you want to know about Phase 2 sites. Just Google it it'll take you to all of the radio reference threads. There's just a lot of studying to do.

The more you know when you ask questions from people who do know the better chance you get of... Help. Contact me anytime you want.
 
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