New Southern NV Scanner Book 7th Ed At AES

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TOUGHLIFE

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Got a phone call from AES as it seems they do call their better customers advising me of the 7th edition dated Feb 2008 of the Southern Nevada Radio Scanner Book. So now that I have a copy in my hand I thought I would pass along my observations. It has gotten larger in size, 69 pages to be exact. Some updates are noted on the LVMPD radio system, conventional and trunking (certain 800 MHz freqs. that were authorized have been deleted and numerous 700 MHz freqs. have taken their place). Their current VHF system has some updates noted.
Boulder City's move to the SNACC system for police & fire activities is presented.
Some additional freqs. are provided for their newer section entitled, "NW AZ Central Mohave County AZ Basics". Good for those that travel South of Hoover Dam.

People have been asking for sometime to see updated and easier to read maps. Well, here they are (Seven full page maps for the LVMPD, a good half page map for the NLVPD, a half page map showing LVMPD's rural areas (not that important), and a new full page map for the Henderson PD.

The SNACC system (Clark County's trunked radio system) has more talkgroups in its two part database (first by agency name in alpha order and second by ID number in order). The database shows a new column which tells you if it is a new entry, a changed entry, and if it is very active on New Years Eve suggesting that you monitor it on that date.
An updated site listing matched with frequencies is showing for the SNACC system. Yes, there have been changes in outlying areas from last year.

Fire station listings have been updated for LV City, Clark County (urban and rural), NLV, and Henderson. Yes, there have been changes from the last edition.

A few updates are noted on the selected non-trunked local government table for conventional freqs. Not everone has gone to trunking.

Henderson PD has not changed much in the book except for the new map and some changes in talkgroups for dispatching and car-to-car traffic.

The Nevada Shared Radio System (NSRS) has been updated in terms of site frequencies. Some changes have taken place in the last year and we are all waiting for re-banding, but don't hold your breath. Government never moves fast. Some new updates in talkgroups to the NSRS are noted especially in the area of patches. When the talkgroup that you like so much goes quiet you might find it active on a patch. I have experienced this a great deal over the last few years. It's a wise move to program the patch talkgroups into your scanner so you are less likely to miss what you want to hear.

The code tables showing for DPS are the same with some minor changes. DPS beats remain the same and the VHF licensed conventional system is still presented. Other freqs. used by various State agencies in Southern Nevada are presented with no changes noted.

The second part of the evaluation will follow shortly.
 
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Part II of my review follows.
Not many changes in the federal government sections were noted but the BOR PD at Hoover Dam seems to be using encryption all the time now. Nellis AFB has no significant changes for now in both air and ground use frequencies. Not much has changed in commercial aviation either. Ground transportation looks the same as last year along with motor-sports. However, changes were noted with various Hotels & Casinos although I find most of them are boring to monitor with the exception of major events at major strip properties. Some updates to ham radio were noted also.

So with 69 pages the book has grown in size with many new full-size map pages with good information on them. No printing seems to be missing as everything seems to be in very good alignment. A lot of very useful material is presented on the pages and it is this that can really help someone new to monitoring in Southern Nevada or even an old timer who wants something he can hold in his hand. Neither RR or other web sites offer everthing in this book. It's my understanding that the three persons who compile this publication, now in its seventh edition went to a lot of work to accumulate this information and of course made the necessary contacts in government and elsewhere to get what was not public record. Many other metropolitan areas are not as fortunate as we are in that they lack such a book as a reference tool. So this copy will take its place on my book shelf along with many other books related to our wonderful hobby of monitor radio listening.
In closing it appears that the publication is only available at Amateur Electronics Supply (AES) in Las Vegas. Their phone numbers are: 800-634-6227 and 702-647-3114 and they are located at 4640 South Polaris Ave in Las Vegas, NV. They have some nice GRE scanners on display also if you want to see the items but I shall stick with my Uniden radios.

So much for now.
 

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Thanks for the update. I was told by one of the people that publishes the guide (in that email from last month) to expect a new edition by the end of February; looks like those guys are on the ball and got it out weeks ahead of schedule. I'll grab one as I can find the cash and the time to head out to AES for a visit at some point.

Without even seeing it, and holding the 5th edition in my hand (at 64 pages), I know it's worth every penny.
 

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AES always has some nice "toys" to play with in the store. The new GRE scanners look nice but I still think that Uniden is a better product overall.
 

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trooperdude said:
Anybody going to bother to update the RR database for LV with the changes ?
:D

There is a LOT of info that is in the book and not in RR. It would be copyright infringement if anyone decided to put all of that info into the database.
 

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There's some truth to that but, really... can you copyright the name of a talkgroup? I can understand some of the need to "protect" the material those guys worked hard to accumulate, but good lord... sometimes people take copyright to extremes that it's simply not designed for.

Putting the decimal talkgroup info with an alpha tag label and a descriptive name into the RR database wouldn't classify as copyright infringement any more than someone creating a guide with the same info and claiming they "own" it. I appreciate what those folks have done, and I'll be getting the 7th edition soon enough, but sometimes this stuff goes entirely too far.
 

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Believe me br0adband, I agree with you that a lot of stuff is taken to the extreme. However the book is copyrighted material. Would it be any more legal for me to scan every page of the book and put it online for anyone and everyone to view, free of charge? Uploading every piece of information from the book into RR is no different. I don't know... A good chunk of the info can be properly identified by even the most casual of users, and thus submitted to the database, which also strengthens your point.

Anyhoo, I'll gladly pay the 20 bucks for the book, every year, until they stop publishing it. Tons of great info aside from the frequencies and talkgroups.
 

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Copyright Issue

I suspect that copying selected ID's and publishing in your own words how the talkgroup is being used is not a copyright violation, but copying a large portion exactly as shown and publishing it the same way might be a violation. Of course one would want to verify the use of a frequency or talkgroup before publishing. That is part of the fun of our hobby.
I am also sure that the people who maintain and/or own RR don't want to find themselves in civil litigation and would probably remove anything they thought was copied directly and exactly out of some copyrighted publication. Just my thoughts for the moment.
 

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Info other than Talkgroups & Freqs.

Yes, the book has a lot more than just frequencies and talkgroups and most of this has never made it to various websites. Of course a lot of people are just not that interested in this extra material but many love it. There are probably a few people out there who purchase the book, scan selected pages of it, and share it with their friends.

Anyway I will most likely continue to acquire this publication and others until they go out of business, hopefully not anytime in the near future.
 

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Well, note that I was very specific and I mentioned only talkgroups and info directly related to them (decimal numbers, alpha tags, etc). The rest - of which that guide has tons of - isn't posted on RR, never has been, so at least others (and I do myself) respect the fact that those other aspects could be copyrighted to some degree. So yeah, I agree that the bulk of the material in terms of non-frequency data could be claimed, I guess. Interesting situation...
 

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I cant wait to get my hands on the new Southern Nevada Scanner book but with my schedule its very difficult to get to AES Ham , any chance Radio World in Boulder City will be selling it ?



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Scanner Book

You can always call AES and order it sent to you via mail if you cannot get over there.
 

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7th Edition Scanner Book

Personally I don't think the 7th edition contains that much more information than the 6th edition. Certainly not 18 dollars worth. The maps are more detailed, however you can find better maps by simply visiting the agency's web site. For example the Henderson police website has a nice color map of all the patrol areas, it looks like someone just copied a generic map of Henderson then penciled W,N, and E for the respective zones. If you already have the 6th edition stick with it. If you've never owned this scanner book then It's well worth every penny. Las Vegas has never had a more detailed reference book for the scanner enthusiast. Matter of fact I don't know why the publishers don't get this into every Radio Shack in the valley, let alone Boulder City.

Just my 2 cents.
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I have acquired several Id's in search mode over the past few months on the Snacc , some I have figured out others I haven't and I am hoping the updated scanner book will identify some of those Id's that are unknown to me at this time. I have several radios I would like to update and even though i will have to invest time, it is one of my main hobbies :) I like to keep one book in the car to use as a reference (when stopped @ a light of course) since I monitor when I drive .


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Updates

Unlike many listeners who are content with the basics and are not craving for the latest updates, I enjoy each edition of the book and a few other regional directories that are available. Looking at the latest talkgroups does interest me and of course searching on my own. Even minor changes in site frequencies for some of the other SNACC sites that are not used much interests me as I enjoy traveling outside of the LV valley. The current edition lists all the sites and has changes from the last edition and this I really like. Additional SNACC IDs' not in the last edition have also been enjoyable to read about. So for those who feel the need to have the latest information I would strongly recommend the book.

Anyway I am glad that we have the book as many other metropolitan areas lack this type of most useful publication.
 

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TOUGHLIFE said:
Anyway I am glad that we have the book as many other metropolitan areas lack this type of most useful publication.

QFT, which means Quoted For Truth in case you aren't up on all the Internet forum lingo. I appreciate the efforts put forth to create this guide by the people publishing it, and yeah, it is a most useful tool, especially for someone "new" to our hobby and even to the seasoned listener.

Kudos to them...

My 400th post... w00t!
 
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