New Washington State Patrol Radio System Information
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Wilrobnson
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I wonder if anyone's caught onto the fact WSP has been using the IWN system for awhile now, north of Seattle?
Or that they've been partnered with the system, vis-a-vis microwave backbones and tower sites, for several years?
OR that the IWN system isn't exclusively trunked? I feel pretty certain you'll see a mixed trunking/conventional use of the system by WSP, just like CBP and all the other major IWN users have. Trunking where the coverage makes it feasible; conventional where it doesn't.
Or that they've been partnered with the system, vis-a-vis microwave backbones and tower sites, for several years?
OR that the IWN system isn't exclusively trunked? I feel pretty certain you'll see a mixed trunking/conventional use of the system by WSP, just like CBP and all the other major IWN users have. Trunking where the coverage makes it feasible; conventional where it doesn't.
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Wilrobnson
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Good one on the FRS/GMRS handhelds.
Yep, I read it, but it also said anticipated. and I did note that you cannot review the contract until inked. Do you believe all the information of the contract will be there, public disclosure or not? Moto is infamous for claiming that proprietary information is contained in their contracts and should not be made public.
Also, my point was that contract or not it still has to pass through budgetary/political hoops. Just yesterday the paper was talking about Mdme. Gov claiming that over $10B had been pared from the budget and they still required this tax hike. The paper was debunking the math indicating that they were dubious claims. The point here is I still maintain that going with a more expensive un-neccessary system is politically suicide in this time of people not getting healthcare needs due to budget cuts. Somone will nix it until times are not as hard.
I did find it interesting that you (or was it someone else) was saying that the JIWN system up north is mixed mode. I did not know that. I did know CBP is using it along with Cities and Counties at the Canadian border, but did not know there was conventional use of the JIWN system frequencies. I figured they used others and the system was just trunked. But I don't get north of Seattle, so had not heard. Quite facsinating actually, and makes it more possible for WSP to jump in without using the trunking aspect when not working with the Feds.
More to learn. Much more to learn. Keep it coming.
Yep, I read it, but it also said anticipated. and I did note that you cannot review the contract until inked. Do you believe all the information of the contract will be there, public disclosure or not? Moto is infamous for claiming that proprietary information is contained in their contracts and should not be made public.
Also, my point was that contract or not it still has to pass through budgetary/political hoops. Just yesterday the paper was talking about Mdme. Gov claiming that over $10B had been pared from the budget and they still required this tax hike. The paper was debunking the math indicating that they were dubious claims. The point here is I still maintain that going with a more expensive un-neccessary system is politically suicide in this time of people not getting healthcare needs due to budget cuts. Somone will nix it until times are not as hard.
I did find it interesting that you (or was it someone else) was saying that the JIWN system up north is mixed mode. I did not know that. I did know CBP is using it along with Cities and Counties at the Canadian border, but did not know there was conventional use of the JIWN system frequencies. I figured they used others and the system was just trunked. But I don't get north of Seattle, so had not heard. Quite facsinating actually, and makes it more possible for WSP to jump in without using the trunking aspect when not working with the Feds.
More to learn. Much more to learn. Keep it coming.
Wilrobnson
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Yes, I was trying to make the point that I don't believe Kenwood or others are being considered, hence the "sole-source" nature.
No. I've done/seen/requested a ton of PDRs in the past.
Not surprising in any way.
i seem to recall, somewhere, that the money was already allocated. I'm probably wrong. For more information on me being wrong, see also: my wife.
No, I had said it IS a mixed-mode system. The only conventional use I've seen/heard of is in the Southern US, aside from simplex, short-range stuff.
See above, sorry, cut the quote.
They've been using it, that I know of, for around 2 years now. Not full-time, mind you, but still.
Yeah, my wife would say that too.....about me that is. She doesn't even know you....does she???? (lol)
But yes the SOME of the money is already allocated and approved, but what I had read was that it was first going to consoles and infrastructure and portables (??) and that the balance with the mobiles etc was to be done later. Seems to me it was also approved for certain radios. Or bidders? This is where I am not clear. I've seen conflicting articles. We need to sift this stuff out.
No, I'm with you and believe that (perhaps...potentially) this is one way for MOTO to get their foot in the door and close it behind them, on other potential vendors, without going through the bid process. I'm not sure WSP has used anything but Motorola since the day they ripped out their GE consoles out of their vehicles. Haven't they gone through several incarnations of Motorola ever since? (I kind of liked those GEs, they had a different mic key on them that allowed to PTT one direction to access the Area freq and the other direction to access c-c which here was the NLEC at the time I think. If you go back that far you might recall in the early days of 150 MHz for WSP they used to work their system like CHP, with a Base freq and a Car freq. Here and in many areas it was 155.475 for the base and 154.77 for the car. They had to switch to the base freq for c-c.) Anyway, I digress.
The article in the Tacoma paper listed here on another thread earlier I believe indicated that it was to be a two step process with the mobile radios (or at least half of them and portables) to be done last. This is why it seemed inconsistent to move to either an 800 or trunking system of any type when they were not planning on replacing all of the radios at once. Hopefully that came out in my initial post. If not, I apologize as this was one of my main reasons why this wasn't making sense. Inconsistent with historical WSP thinking vis-a-vis communications. Don't even get me started on encryption which they have never done on any major scale.
I'm not aware of how they are using the system. I know they were a major party in the JIWN system building process using the microwave, sites, and so forth, but assumed that their actual use of the system was relegated to shared investigations and perhaps major tactical units, not day-to-day functions. Are they using it up north for dispatching? That would be very fascinating.
My point about the budget issue is that it is not politcally correct to order on un-required bells and whistles when people are litterally starving, falling over dead due to diseases they can no longer afford to have treated because DSHS has cut their funding, and other budget cuts affect their lives daily. I am not aware of any state agency or political body authorizing such a change as dropping the process of going to bid in favor of a sole vendor in order to move onto a sophisticated system which is far more than is required or needed. I am working on some intel on this however to try to verify whatever is the case.
I'm certainly not always right (like you see my wife on that issue), and on the JIWN I am admittedly a neophite, so this is all part of a learning process for a system I 've been listening to and tracking since 1970. Clearly one of my personal faves.
I'm not trying to throw any monkey wrenches into the mix, I'm simply pointing out what appear to me to be serious inconsistencies. And those perhaps are in the political system rather than the radio system. This is why I say, more intel to be gathered and studied. Right now, I'm fascinated by it all.
But yes the SOME of the money is already allocated and approved, but what I had read was that it was first going to consoles and infrastructure and portables (??) and that the balance with the mobiles etc was to be done later. Seems to me it was also approved for certain radios. Or bidders? This is where I am not clear. I've seen conflicting articles. We need to sift this stuff out.
No, I'm with you and believe that (perhaps...potentially) this is one way for MOTO to get their foot in the door and close it behind them, on other potential vendors, without going through the bid process. I'm not sure WSP has used anything but Motorola since the day they ripped out their GE consoles out of their vehicles. Haven't they gone through several incarnations of Motorola ever since? (I kind of liked those GEs, they had a different mic key on them that allowed to PTT one direction to access the Area freq and the other direction to access c-c which here was the NLEC at the time I think. If you go back that far you might recall in the early days of 150 MHz for WSP they used to work their system like CHP, with a Base freq and a Car freq. Here and in many areas it was 155.475 for the base and 154.77 for the car. They had to switch to the base freq for c-c.) Anyway, I digress.
The article in the Tacoma paper listed here on another thread earlier I believe indicated that it was to be a two step process with the mobile radios (or at least half of them and portables) to be done last. This is why it seemed inconsistent to move to either an 800 or trunking system of any type when they were not planning on replacing all of the radios at once. Hopefully that came out in my initial post. If not, I apologize as this was one of my main reasons why this wasn't making sense. Inconsistent with historical WSP thinking vis-a-vis communications. Don't even get me started on encryption which they have never done on any major scale.
I'm not aware of how they are using the system. I know they were a major party in the JIWN system building process using the microwave, sites, and so forth, but assumed that their actual use of the system was relegated to shared investigations and perhaps major tactical units, not day-to-day functions. Are they using it up north for dispatching? That would be very fascinating.
My point about the budget issue is that it is not politcally correct to order on un-required bells and whistles when people are litterally starving, falling over dead due to diseases they can no longer afford to have treated because DSHS has cut their funding, and other budget cuts affect their lives daily. I am not aware of any state agency or political body authorizing such a change as dropping the process of going to bid in favor of a sole vendor in order to move onto a sophisticated system which is far more than is required or needed. I am working on some intel on this however to try to verify whatever is the case.
I'm certainly not always right (like you see my wife on that issue), and on the JIWN I am admittedly a neophite, so this is all part of a learning process for a system I 've been listening to and tracking since 1970. Clearly one of my personal faves.
I'm not trying to throw any monkey wrenches into the mix, I'm simply pointing out what appear to me to be serious inconsistencies. And those perhaps are in the political system rather than the radio system. This is why I say, more intel to be gathered and studied. Right now, I'm fascinated by it all.
This is odd that they're going to a federal system! I've never seem this anywhere, besides Blaine and police by boarders being on with Boarder Patrol. But, I only see sites in Bellingham, Seattle, Spokane, Blaine, Tacoma, ect. What about Ellensburg, Wenatchee, Yakima, Bremerton etc. Will every post in Washington also be joining the system? Will it be a true "Statewide" system or is it already? Thanks soooo much! 
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Wilrobnson
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Well, in a way, there are other instances of local/fed radio cooperation. Doesn't Wyoming's WYOLINK use some fed freqs in the trunking freqs?
Also, IWN is largely statewide. There's substantially more coverage in Western WA, mostly along the I-5 corridor....But Eastern WA does have several high sites that give great coverage.
Also, IWN is largely statewide. There's substantially more coverage in Western WA, mostly along the I-5 corridor....But Eastern WA does have several high sites that give great coverage.
FYI --
The WSP FCC application lists BuildOut Deadline dates.
I'm not entirely sure what this means so perhaps someone could enlighten us... the 1st date is 6/13/2014 and by that, I would guess we have some time before the 700mhz system comes online.
The WSP FCC application lists BuildOut Deadline dates.
I'm not entirely sure what this means so perhaps someone could enlighten us... the 1st date is 6/13/2014 and by that, I would guess we have some time before the 700mhz system comes online.
Wilrobnson
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Yeah, but that license was granted 9 years ago, and updated 3 years ago.
WSP is going to the IWN system, beginning in about 3 months.
WSP is going to the IWN system, beginning in about 3 months.
Will they have to buy new mobile and portables? Or will their current raidios do digital? Also, I heard that "to save money" each tropper will be issued his own radio, mic, and charger; and they will not be buying mobiles because the coverage will be 98% with the portables. Anyone hear of this?
Also, what will happen to the old analog repeaters, mobile radios and portable radios once they move the the new digital system? Will the old radio system be shut off, and the old radios taken out of the cars? OK thanks!
Also, what will happen to the old analog repeaters, mobile radios and portable radios once they move the the new digital system? Will the old radio system be shut off, and the old radios taken out of the cars? OK thanks!
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jacobsmith
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What post will move to the new system first? I'm assuming Seattle, they seem to get everything first! Will they patch the old system with the new system, so we can atleast listen for a while?
Wilrobnson
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Not Seattle, or so I hear.
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Wilrobnson
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I love the media...You can tell them anything and they'll publish it, fact-checking be damned.
What's wrong with Motorola ?
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