Puting some one down for there spelling ETC. is just small of you... given the fact that you took the time to figure out what they where saying.
New Washington State Patrol Radio System Information
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Wilrobnson
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Lowboy- IMHO, Joe
wasn't poking fun at this guy's English skills, it was at the fact the OP really didn't seem to have a clue what he was talking about. See also- the reply I'm formulating which will appear shortly.
wasn't poking fun at this guy's English skills, it was at the fact the OP really didn't seem to have a clue what he was talking about. See also- the reply I'm formulating which will appear shortly.
Cool Brett
Just saying I always like your incite
Wilrobnson
Rock or Something
I'm not going to quote the whole thing here, just the parts riddled with hilarity:
...Except for the waivers they're beginning to grant, you mean?
Wow...You only missed by 6 years or so, sparky. The initial talks began in 1998, with the concept of a single radio system for all really coming together in 2003/4. And it wasn't for cross-border interops, it was a solely DOJ system, initially.
Correct. I used IWN radios for years, and I very clearly recall lugging a microwave link system about with me, one in the car and a smaller one on my belt. Actually, what I meant to reply with was WTF?
No, no and not really.
Not 90%, not all the Feds, and only a very small bit on cross-border interops with Canuckistan.
Partially true. Yes, Washington State DID partner with 'the feds' on the microwave backbone for the system, several years ago.
Yeah, only a few, as in 34... 28 conventional and 8 700mhz P25 Phase 2 sites.
Where to start on this one? Let's be simple here- LERN, MARS, OSCR and REDNET have been around a lot longer than IWN. By "tyied into the system", can we all assume you meant establishing cross-band links or ISSI gateways?
You should PM me with your name, I think we sat in on the same meeting last year. You remember, the one where the WSP guy said they were going to fully encrypt all their traffic to meet current (then) IWN standards?
Missed those 8 Puget Sound-area 700mhz sites, did you?
Except where it IS going to be used, and is CURRENTLY being used?
Well, yes, since that's all that's on the IWN system.
Since before then.
...Except for the waivers they're beginning to grant, you mean?
Wow...You only missed by 6 years or so, sparky. The initial talks began in 1998, with the concept of a single radio system for all really coming together in 2003/4. And it wasn't for cross-border interops, it was a solely DOJ system, initially.
Correct. I used IWN radios for years, and I very clearly recall lugging a microwave link system about with me, one in the car and a smaller one on my belt. Actually, what I meant to reply with was WTF?
No, no and not really.
Not 90%, not all the Feds, and only a very small bit on cross-border interops with Canuckistan.
Partially true. Yes, Washington State DID partner with 'the feds' on the microwave backbone for the system, several years ago.
Yeah, only a few, as in 34... 28 conventional and 8 700mhz P25 Phase 2 sites.
Where to start on this one? Let's be simple here- LERN, MARS, OSCR and REDNET have been around a lot longer than IWN. By "tyied into the system", can we all assume you meant establishing cross-band links or ISSI gateways?
You should PM me with your name, I think we sat in on the same meeting last year. You remember, the one where the WSP guy said they were going to fully encrypt all their traffic to meet current (then) IWN standards?
Missed those 8 Puget Sound-area 700mhz sites, did you?
Except where it IS going to be used, and is CURRENTLY being used?
Well, yes, since that's all that's on the IWN system.
Since before then.
Wilrobnson
Rock or Something
Thanks Ken, a good riot is hard to come by.
N7YUO
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This is a real interesting thread. I'd like to add a couple of comments.
Statewide trunked systems can work.
Wyoming, with its mountainous terrain chose VHF P25 trunking when they built their WyoLink system.
Utah, is slowly building an 800 MHz system. Starting with the areas of the 2002 Winter Olympics, and now adding more & more rural sites.
Imagine being in Everett and listening to a search for a downed aircraft near Wenatchee. I Live in Salt Lake, and I heard a search for a crashed plane miles east of the Wasatch Mountains.
Well, enough of my $.25.
Statewide trunked systems can work.
Wyoming, with its mountainous terrain chose VHF P25 trunking when they built their WyoLink system.
Utah, is slowly building an 800 MHz system. Starting with the areas of the 2002 Winter Olympics, and now adding more & more rural sites.
Imagine being in Everett and listening to a search for a downed aircraft near Wenatchee. I Live in Salt Lake, and I heard a search for a crashed plane miles east of the Wasatch Mountains.
Well, enough of my $.25.
LOL Brett
superfreak
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Wyolink is a hybrid 800/VHF. 800MHz in some cities...
Utah got is headstart during the Salt Lake Olympics..
Michigan, Colorado etc have well developed state wide systems. It takes people coming together and investing as one in one system. Michigan has 300+ sites, Colorado has 200+ sites.
Even within the State of Washington things are disjointed. WHY does WSDOT have a seperate system from WSP? DNR??
If they all pooled their resources (money and people) they would be far better off.
/soapbox
. Things are 'disjointed' nationwide mainly by $$$. I know of a Tri-Met supervisor in Portland who carries a scanner to hear the buses as his 800 trunked radio can't listen in but that is changing soon..
The WSDOT system was designed in the late 80's early 90's. 800 was plentiful so shopping around for freq allocation was easy. The backbone was built for around 12-14 million by using existing state sites. Plus there are probably dead spots on the DOT system that are acceptable, but far more critical for the WSP et al. At least the state has local option to talk directly to a sheriff's repeater. DNR does firefighting in the summer, most mobilizations with other FD require VHF as does most of the rest of the U.S. WSDOT hasn't had to touch much of anything in 20 years except for rebanding.
To have a truly statewide system would have to be mandated by the legislature as well as funding for this.
Michigan is also $%^ing broke with a fancy system.
It isn't easy having one agency with the financial means vs. others that cannot afford to switch over, plus the turf wars over design (Oregon went from OSP to ODOT consulting and it will still be a patchwork of mixed design but supposedly with patches.
There are a lot of 'could of, should of, would of's'. Washington is not unique.
Scanner heads salivate for a statewide system but new technology may exclude them from listening in, so be careful for what you wish for.
The WSDOT system was designed in the late 80's early 90's. 800 was plentiful so shopping around for freq allocation was easy. The backbone was built for around 12-14 million by using existing state sites. Plus there are probably dead spots on the DOT system that are acceptable, but far more critical for the WSP et al. At least the state has local option to talk directly to a sheriff's repeater. DNR does firefighting in the summer, most mobilizations with other FD require VHF as does most of the rest of the U.S. WSDOT hasn't had to touch much of anything in 20 years except for rebanding.
To have a truly statewide system would have to be mandated by the legislature as well as funding for this.
Michigan is also $%^ing broke with a fancy system.
It isn't easy having one agency with the financial means vs. others that cannot afford to switch over, plus the turf wars over design (Oregon went from OSP to ODOT consulting and it will still be a patchwork of mixed design but supposedly with patches.
There are a lot of 'could of, should of, would of's'. Washington is not unique.
Scanner heads salivate for a statewide system but new technology may exclude them from listening in, so be careful for what you wish for.
Any one know WSP is going 800 when King,Seattle, pierce, and snow, are go 700? I would think they would want to have the setup to work with out lean.
Wilrobnson
Rock or Something
From the horse's mouth, emphasis added by me:
WSP will add a second zone core (hereafter referred to as Zone 2) that includes additional WSP radio sites that will be upgraded and narrowbanded, 7 additional dispatch sites, and increases to the load
capacity of the IWN system to support up to 1,200 additional WSP users. These users
include WSP's law enforcement partners and law enforcement direct support partners
and encompass the addition of 1,200 portable radios and 1,200 mobile radios (added to
the existing 80 WSP mobiles/portables already utilizing the IWN system.
WSP plans to convert 28 of their existing legacy sites to P25 VHF operation and add (8)
700 MHz 4-channel trunked sites in the Puget Sound region to prevent capacity
problems on existing, highly utilized IWN sites. All of these new sites will be connected
to the WSP zone core. WSP will be replacing the consoles at 7 of its 8 dispatch centers
with MCC7500 consoles (approximately 35 positions) and doing a software refresh to
the existing Marysville WSP MCC7500 consoles. All of the WSP consoles will be
connected to the WSP zone core. WSP will also be replacing existing WSP logging
recorders. These recorders will only record WSP talkgroups and telephones. End-to-end
AES encryption will be used for all of the above.
WSP will also convert their existing interoperability base stations to narrowband analog
operation controlled through the WSP MCC7500 consoles. As part of this project WSP
is also increasing the number of digital microwave paths and moving the WSP digital
microwave to an IP/MPLS based operation.
Current details provided to DOJ by WSP indicate 36 additional WSP sites will be upgraded, including 28
VHF radios sites and 8 700MHz sites. The 700 MHz sites will be deployed where IWN NW does not have
capacity to add the volume of WSP users (primarily in and around Seattle) and these sites will not be
accessible to IWN NW users.
WSP informs DOJ that due to their strict time period to complete the narrowband upgrade; many sites
will be deployed initially in conventional mode. However, WSP also stated their intent to convert as many of these as possible to trunking sites and therefore are purchasing all sites as trunking capable. In addition, some of these sites may be deployed initially in trunking depending on the time frame for
obtaining frequencies to support trunking through FCC licenses and/or NTIA assignments.
WSP will add a second zone core (hereafter referred to as Zone 2) that includes additional WSP radio sites that will be upgraded and narrowbanded, 7 additional dispatch sites, and increases to the load
capacity of the IWN system to support up to 1,200 additional WSP users. These users
include WSP's law enforcement partners and law enforcement direct support partners
and encompass the addition of 1,200 portable radios and 1,200 mobile radios (added to
the existing 80 WSP mobiles/portables already utilizing the IWN system.
WSP plans to convert 28 of their existing legacy sites to P25 VHF operation and add (8)
700 MHz 4-channel trunked sites in the Puget Sound region to prevent capacity
problems on existing, highly utilized IWN sites. All of these new sites will be connected
to the WSP zone core. WSP will be replacing the consoles at 7 of its 8 dispatch centers
with MCC7500 consoles (approximately 35 positions) and doing a software refresh to
the existing Marysville WSP MCC7500 consoles. All of the WSP consoles will be
connected to the WSP zone core. WSP will also be replacing existing WSP logging
recorders. These recorders will only record WSP talkgroups and telephones. End-to-end
AES encryption will be used for all of the above.
WSP will also convert their existing interoperability base stations to narrowband analog
operation controlled through the WSP MCC7500 consoles. As part of this project WSP
is also increasing the number of digital microwave paths and moving the WSP digital
microwave to an IP/MPLS based operation.
Current details provided to DOJ by WSP indicate 36 additional WSP sites will be upgraded, including 28
VHF radios sites and 8 700MHz sites. The 700 MHz sites will be deployed where IWN NW does not have
capacity to add the volume of WSP users (primarily in and around Seattle) and these sites will not be
accessible to IWN NW users.
WSP informs DOJ that due to their strict time period to complete the narrowband upgrade; many sites
will be deployed initially in conventional mode. However, WSP also stated their intent to convert as many of these as possible to trunking sites and therefore are purchasing all sites as trunking capable. In addition, some of these sites may be deployed initially in trunking depending on the time frame for
obtaining frequencies to support trunking through FCC licenses and/or NTIA assignments.
cardriver
Newbie
Washington State Patrol (WSP) plans to Narrowband statewide
All information for the King, Pierce, Snohomish and WSP is in this 300 page report dated Feb 22, 2012 and on the Internet.
1. [PDF] Technical Report and Recommendations - King County Government
www.kingcounty.gov/.../Technical_Report_for_REPC_02_22_2012....
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
Feb 22, 2012 – o Washington State Patrol (WSP) plans to Narrowband statewide .... Existing Motorola 800 MHz Land Mobile Radio (LMR) systems operated by the ..... replace existing Mobile and Portable radios with multi-band, P25 Phase 2 ...
WSP will narrowband its existing VHF Interoperability channels during September 2012 to comply with the FCC Narrowbanding mandate. WSP also plans to make significant, long-term investments in radio system Infrastructure and Mobile and Portable radios. WSP will move its main dispatching operations from the existing “wide-band” VHF radio system over to the Department of Justice (DOJ) Integrated Wireless Network VHF P25 radio system. WSP will add 700 MHz P25 Phase 2 Radio Sites in the Puget Sound Region to reduce impact to the DOJ system from WSP users. WSP will also need to upgrade or replace Dispatch Consoles and to replace existing Mobile and Portable radios with multi-band, P25 Phase 2-capable units. WSP expects to complete this process by June 2013, with the majority of the changes completed prior to January 1, 2013.
WSP also plans to upgrade its Microwave system to support the P25 radio system and connect additional Radio Sites
Narrowbanding is driven by an FCC mandate.
All radio system owners with VHF and UHF systems need to comply with the Narrowbanding mandate.
WSP.
The mandate most significantly affects Pierce County and Washington State Patrol (WSP) because their primary dispatch radio systems are VHF systems. Pierce County and WSP have to act very quickly to replace non-compliant VHF radio system Infrastructure and Mobile and Portable radios prior to the FCC deadline and could not wait for the final outcome of the Region’s process to begin work on their systems; and Pierce County and WSP are, nonetheless, participating in the Region’s process to identify opportunities.
The Washington State Patrol VHF system is subject to the FCC Narrowbanding mandate. The State Patrol is merging its system with the federal government’s IWN System and is adding sites to improve coverage. Some new equipment will also be needed to comply with the FCC’s Narrowbanding mandate. Some components of the existing system (notably Dispatch Consoles and Quantar radio transmitter equipment) may have reached the end of manufacturer support; however, this loss of support has less impact than that present for complex SmartZone radio systems.
All information for the King, Pierce, Snohomish and WSP is in this 300 page report dated Feb 22, 2012 and on the Internet.
1. [PDF] Technical Report and Recommendations - King County Government
www.kingcounty.gov/.../Technical_Report_for_REPC_02_22_2012....
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
Feb 22, 2012 – o Washington State Patrol (WSP) plans to Narrowband statewide .... Existing Motorola 800 MHz Land Mobile Radio (LMR) systems operated by the ..... replace existing Mobile and Portable radios with multi-band, P25 Phase 2 ...
WSP will narrowband its existing VHF Interoperability channels during September 2012 to comply with the FCC Narrowbanding mandate. WSP also plans to make significant, long-term investments in radio system Infrastructure and Mobile and Portable radios. WSP will move its main dispatching operations from the existing “wide-band” VHF radio system over to the Department of Justice (DOJ) Integrated Wireless Network VHF P25 radio system. WSP will add 700 MHz P25 Phase 2 Radio Sites in the Puget Sound Region to reduce impact to the DOJ system from WSP users. WSP will also need to upgrade or replace Dispatch Consoles and to replace existing Mobile and Portable radios with multi-band, P25 Phase 2-capable units. WSP expects to complete this process by June 2013, with the majority of the changes completed prior to January 1, 2013.
WSP also plans to upgrade its Microwave system to support the P25 radio system and connect additional Radio Sites
Narrowbanding is driven by an FCC mandate.
All radio system owners with VHF and UHF systems need to comply with the Narrowbanding mandate.
WSP.
The mandate most significantly affects Pierce County and Washington State Patrol (WSP) because their primary dispatch radio systems are VHF systems. Pierce County and WSP have to act very quickly to replace non-compliant VHF radio system Infrastructure and Mobile and Portable radios prior to the FCC deadline and could not wait for the final outcome of the Region’s process to begin work on their systems; and Pierce County and WSP are, nonetheless, participating in the Region’s process to identify opportunities.
The Washington State Patrol VHF system is subject to the FCC Narrowbanding mandate. The State Patrol is merging its system with the federal government’s IWN System and is adding sites to improve coverage. Some new equipment will also be needed to comply with the FCC’s Narrowbanding mandate. Some components of the existing system (notably Dispatch Consoles and Quantar radio transmitter equipment) may have reached the end of manufacturer support; however, this loss of support has less impact than that present for complex SmartZone radio systems.
Your link didn't work Cardriver. Here's the correct link:
http://www.kingcounty.gov/safety/~/...doc/Technical_Report_for_REPC_02_22_2012.ashx
http://www.kingcounty.gov/safety/~/...doc/Technical_Report_for_REPC_02_22_2012.ashx
Anybody got some info on which local govs will go with this WSP system?
Particularly Whatcom county?
Particularly Whatcom county?
For What It Is Worth,I Was In Yakima A Few Days Ago,I Talked With A Tech At The WSP Office And He Told Me That The New System Will Not Fire Up For At Least A Year And It Will Not Be All In Encryption.
cabletech
Member
Also, all new issued vehicles since the 1st of June are having the new Moto APX installed. The current MaCom 7000 series mobiles are being taken out of service.
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