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Hi guys,

I saw a News 8 (WTNH) SUV two days ago, and noticed it had at least one antenna for what I'm assuming was a mobile radio, although it could have very well been for something else. It sparked a thought, and I'm surprised nothing's posted here (at least that I can see). Does anyone have the radio frequencies for WTNH, or any other local news networks, like WFSB? And by frequencies, I mean the frequencies for the two-ways they use, not the actual radio news broadcasts, if they still even use those. I'm looking for the frequencies used for their "fly-car" and news van dispatching, as well as the news van-to-news van-to- fly car communication frequencies.

Any and all info is appreciated, as always.
 

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dont forget also that they probably use cell phones as the major way of communicating i do have a list from a connecticut 10th edition scanner master frequency book from years ago.here is what is listed.and this it what it states about the following freqs
NEWS MEDIA
Nes media frequencies include those used for remote pickup links,news crews,and engineering crews. The news media use cellualr and mobile phones extensively for news crews,engineering, and general operations nowadays however.

WFSB CH 3
161.670 (pl 156.7) --operations/engineering
450.700 (pl 156.7)--operations/news crews
450.550 (pl 156.7)--operations/engineering
455.950 (pl 156.7)--operations/engineering

WTIC FOX 61
450.1875 (NO PL) -OPERATIONS
450.350 (NO PL)--OPERATIONS
455.1875 (NO PL)--OPERATIONS
450.5875 (REPEATERED) (PL 67.0) NEWS CREWS
455.5875 (PL 67.0) NEW CREWS INPUT

WTNH CHANNEL 8
161.640 (PL 110.9) NEWS CREWS
450.450 REPEATERED (PL 110.9) -ENGINEERING
455.450 (PL 110.9) ENGINEERING INPUT

WVIT CH 30
450.050--(PL 192.8) NEWS CREWS/REMOTES
455.050--(PL 192.8) NEWS CREWS REMOTES
455.550--OPERATIONS--(NO PL)
851.0625--(d-606)--ADMINISTRATIVE OPERATIONS
 

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dont forget also that they probably use cell phones as the major way of communicating i do have a list from a connecticut 10th edition scanner master frequency book from years ago.here is what is listed.and this it what it states about the following freqs
NEWS MEDIA
Nes media frequencies include those used for remote pickup links,news crews,and engineering crews. The news media use cellualr and mobile phones extensively for news crews,engineering, and general operations nowadays however.

WFSB CH 3
161.670 (pl 156.7) --operations/engineering
450.700 (pl 156.7)--operations/news crews
450.550 (pl 156.7)--operations/engineering
455.950 (pl 156.7)--operations/engineering

WTIC FOX 61
450.1875 (NO PL) -OPERATIONS
450.350 (NO PL)--OPERATIONS
455.1875 (NO PL)--OPERATIONS
450.5875 (REPEATERED) (PL 67.0) NEWS CREWS
455.5875 (PL 67.0) NEW CREWS INPUT

WTNH CHANNEL 8
161.640 (PL 110.9) NEWS CREWS
450.450 REPEATERED (PL 110.9) -ENGINEERING
455.450 (PL 110.9) ENGINEERING INPUT

WVIT CH 30
450.050--(PL 192.8) NEWS CREWS/REMOTES
455.050--(PL 192.8) NEWS CREWS REMOTES
455.550--OPERATIONS--(NO PL)
851.0625--(d-606)--ADMINISTRATIVE OPERATIONS

Rick, thanks so much! I'll plug all of these in my scanner and see what I can pick up. I think I remember seeing the WTNH repeater-ed frequency. Any idea where the repeater is? I'm assuming at their newsroom on Elm Street.

Also, can anyone confirm that Chopper 8 IS still in service and operating? I never really thought twice about it... Because I recall seeing them advertising its new "News 8" paint scheme, and I could have sworn I have seen shots from it recently. Not to mention, it's a big deal for WTNH to have that, the only one in CT, as they advertise it. The only reason I ask is because when I Googled the tail number just for the hell of it, I found some interesting info...

First, I found this Twitter page, https://twitter.com/C8WTNH titled "Bring Back Chopper 8", and it has a link to a site that seems to be a campaign to raise money to "Bring Chopper 8 Back".

I also looked up the tail number on FlightAware, and looked up the registration info, located here: N812TV Aircraft Registration It shows the helicopter as described by a few stories on WTNH's website, the 1986 Bell 206L-3. Now the interesting thing is under "Registration History", where it shows "LIN TELEVISION CORP" out of "NEW HAVEN CT" (the mother company of WTNH) as the owner as of "02-Jun-2006". However, what's weird is that above that listing, it shows it registered to "HELICOPTER APPLICATORS INC" out of "GETTYSBURG PA" as of "28-Nov-2009". Both listings show the same serial number.

Now, to conclude... I also saw a picture on this site: Photo Search Results | Airliners.net which shows the chopper in WPRI livery, which IIRC had some affiliation with Chopper 8. That picture appears to be from 2004.

So basically, I want to know, does anyone know if this thing is still being used by WTNH? (because it would be quite active on the frequencies). I didn't really question it until now.
 

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you will mostly hear media studio links during the actual newscasts these days as they mostly use cell phones these days. Channel 8 used to use 161.640 pl 110.9 which was direct from the field units to the news desk and then 450.450 went to/from the control room, etc during the newscasts. As far as I know chopper 8 is gone, however I know for sure that news 12's chopper based out of long island comes to CT for the big stuff in their coverage area.
 

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Search these frequency ranges:
25.8700-26.4700 (FM mode)
152.8625-153.3575
160.8600-161.7750
166.2500 (if you live more than 150 miles from NYC)
170.1500 (if you live more than 150 miles from NYC)
450.0000-451.0000 *and*
455.0000-456.0000
 

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you will mostly hear media studio links during the actual newscasts these days as they mostly use cell phones these days. Channel 8 used to use 161.640 pl 110.9 which was direct from the field units to the news desk and then 450.450 went to/from the control room, etc during the newscasts. As far as I know chopper 8 is gone, however I know for sure that news 12's chopper based out of long island comes to CT for the big stuff in their coverage area.

So Chopper 8 IS gone... Sorry to hear that. Really didn't realize until now :( . Yeah, I do know I've seen Chopper 12 on TV here on News 12, but only for the big stuff like you said.

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Search these frequency ranges:
25.8700-26.4700 (FM mode)
152.8625-153.3575
160.8600-161.7750
166.2500 (if you live more than 150 miles from NYC)
170.1500 (if you live more than 150 miles from NYC)
450.0000-451.0000 *and*
455.0000-456.0000

Thanks
 

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i googled about chopper 8 and did not find anything about them not using it--a helicopter is a big asset to news crew,they can get footage of an incident an on ground crew cant get, look at the well known footage of the sandy hook tragedy im assuming it was ch 12's helicopter flying over the school recording the police swarming the school and also the area. i did find in the search this info,but if they are stll in use are air band would be monitored to since they have to let the FAA they are in the air
Chopper 8 FAQ



(WTNH) - Here are a number of the most "Frequently Asked Questions" directed to the crew of Chopper 8.


How fast can Chopper 8 fly?
Under standard conditions, Chopper 8's top speed is around 100-105 knots (about 115-120mph). We usually cruise at about 95-100 knots. We have seen ground speeds of around 150mph during extreme tail winds!

How high can Chopper 8 fly?
If needed, Chopper 8 could climb to an altitude of 15,000 feet. Usually, Chopper 8 operates between 1,000 and 2,000 feet above the ground and spends most of it's time at about 1,500 feet AGL (above ground level).

How far can Chopper 8 Fly?
Depending on the conditions and cruise settings, Chopper 8 can fly over 250 miles with ease.

How long can Chopper 8 stay in the air?
Once again depending on the exact conditions, Chopper 8 has a maximum endurance of over 2.5 hours.

How much fuel does Chopper 8 carry and use?
Chopper 8 can carry a total of 112 gallons of Jet fuel. Unfortunately, Chopper 8 is also a very thirsty bird and depending on conditions and settings can burn between 30 and 40 gallons of fuel an hour!

How fast do Chopper 8's rotor blades turn?
The main rotor turns at 395 revolutions per minute and the tail rotor, which is nearly invisible at top speed turns at an incredible 2,560-rpm!

How often does Chopper 8 fly?
Chopper 8 flies whenever the station needs aerial pictures or coverage of a story, from an hour or less or up to 8 hours or more a day. Often we fly for the Morning or Evening shows for traffic coverage, Noon or the Eleven o'clock shows whenever needed and anytime or anywhere in between for breaking news. In total, Chopper 8 logs well over 700 hours of flight time a year.

How powerful is Chopper 8's main camera?
The main camera aboard Chopper 8 is the best and most powerful aerial broadcast camera available today, the FLIR Ultramedia III. It is 90 pounds of digital, space age camera technology. Mounted on the nose of the aircraft and coupled to it's 1,100mm lens, it provides long range video in any conditions with a maximum zoom ratio of around 70:1.

How far away can Chopper 8 broadcast from?
With its powerful microwave transmitters, Chopper 8 can easily transmit pictures and video from over 100 miles away. Chopper 8 has sent audio and video back to Channel 8 from New York, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Long Island, Martha's Vineyard and even Cape Cod!

Can Chopper 8 take up passengers?
Chopper 8 can carry a total of four people if needed. Normally, just the standard crew of the Pilot and Reporter/Camera Operator are aboard for news flights. Unfortunately, we cannot take up members of the general public or even station employees except under special circumstances. We only take Geoff Fox up when he's been a really good boy!

How expensive is it to operate Chopper 8?
Jet turbine aircraft with broadcasting gear on board are all around complex and expensive pieces of machinery to operate and maintain. All things considered, Chopper 8's overall operating cost can be well in excess of $500 an hour while in the air.

How expensive are the equipment systems aboard Chopper 8?
In a word, very! The highly complex main camera system alone is worth well over $300,000. All told, this highly specialized aircraft and the additional 700 pounds of customized broadcast gear push Chopper 8's total price tag to nearly $1.7 million dollars.

Who fixes and maintains Chopper 8?
Chopper 8 has a very experienced and dedicated crew chief and mechanics team that helps to keep her airborne. A very thorough safety and maintenance inspection is performed on the aircraft every 100 hours of flight time and all work is performed in strict accordance with the manufacturers guidelines.

Where is Chopper 8 based?
Chopper 8 is based near the center of Connecticut for the best response time to any location within the state. The chopper has its very own hangar with independent power and maintenance equipment, crew ready room, offices and a rest area. Chopper 8 is kept fueled and at a full "flight ready" status at all times. It can be airborne in less than 5 minutes when called upon.

Is it comfortable flying aboard Chopper 8?
We have all the comforts of home and then some! Chopper 8 is a very comfortable and smooth flying aircraft featuring full cabin heat and air conditioning, leather seats, auto pilot, state of the art broadcasting, communications and navigation systems and big panoramic windows with unbelievable views that are always changing!

Is it fun flying aboard Chopper 8?
It is not only fun but also an honor to fly aboard Connecticut's ONLY news helicopter. The job is very demanding and takes a lot of experience to master but is truly the best job out there. We love to fly and we like to think it shows in our unique aerial perspective, in images and words, we contribute to Channel 8's news programs.
 

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Yes, I saw that, but I think it's from a while ago. That picture from the article even shows it in the old livery.
 

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Chopper 8 was a shared chopper, it was NOT exclusive to channel 8. If you find old footage, you will see that it was only shown from one side, because the other stations' call letters were on the other side. I cannot remember who the the other station was, but I believe it was from Rhode Island, I could be wrong.
Running a helo is expensive business these days. Trooper one was even grounded for a while. It may not have been worth for WTNH to keep a chopper running. Yet, in NYC, CBS news radio 88 runs 2 choppers, go figure.

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I believe that a local affiliate station in a small market area won't have the advertising income that a network owned station in a major metro area market will. So, the bigger markets will have more air and ground assets than the small markets.
 

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Chopper 8 was a shared chopper, it was NOT exclusive to channel 8. If you find old footage, you will see that it was only shown from one side, because the other stations' call letters were on the other side. I cannot remember who the the other station was, but I believe it was from Rhode Island, I could be wrong.
Running a helo is expensive business these days. Trooper one was even grounded for a while. It may not have been worth for WTNH to keep a chopper running. Yet, in NYC, CBS news radio 88 runs 2 choppers, go figure.

Manny

OK now everything's starting to piece together. That's why I saw the WPRI logo on the chopper in the pic taken at Oxford Airport.

This is the WTNH (News 8) Side:

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And this is the WPRI Side

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Well, I think I've found it now. After searching for WPRI's Chopper 12, I found some more results on Wikipedia here -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WPRI-TV#News_operation. The page states that
The helicopter is currently being stored in Indianapolis as a backup for sister station WISH-TV. Footage previously shot from the chopper is still used for B-Roll as stories warrant or at the end of a newscast.

Well, that sucks to hear, oh well. Yes, I'm sure it definitely is pretty costly to run those choppers. Seems weird that the RI chopper was based out of the middle of CT.

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I believe that a local affiliate station in a small market area won't have the advertising income that a network owned station in a major metro area market will. So, the bigger markets will have more air and ground assets than the small markets.

Yes, very true.
 

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Sharing helicopters because of their initial and flight hour costs is very common. I lived in Charlotte, NC for a few years in the late 90s, and several news organizations down there shared resources. At least two helicopters had the opposite sides painted for different stations as described above.
Scott
 

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Back in the day WICC had a fixed wing as did WELI here in Hamden/New Haven. Now that's pretty much a thing of the past. WELI went from the plane to an upper floor at the K of C (not to be confused with KFC-lol) that overlooked the Rt. 34 Connector. I'm sure people even remember WTIC had people on the highways and there was even a place called "Road Watch Traffic" later dubbed "Metro Traffic" 161.760 and 161.700 were very active in the day too. (God, an I showing my age - hahaha). Oh yeah and KC101 even had a "Beach Patrol" lol. But then again I was just out of school and working at WAVZ (13 WAVZ) when they swapped with sister station WKCI and KC101 was born - I'll just push the walker and cane out of the way at this point-LOL

ah but then again a few of us will remember this Freq = 42.48 and listening to "skip" from CHP. Come on guys lets see who remembers (Bob - I know you do, Dave and Manny you too-lol - I am not alone-hahaha)
 
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Hmm, so who runs it more? WTNH or WPRI? Also most news channels now use cellphones instead of two-way radios. But I wonder if they still have their radio equipment? Maybe to use it as a back-up?
 

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I'm not sure how this works anymore, but in the past wasn't the use of cell phones especially during flight banned or something to that effect? I thought it was something back then about hitting multiple cell towers at the same time and disabling the cell towers. Either way, I'm pretty sure that radio is still the primary form of communication especially while airborne
 

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Joe, I believe the use of cells was replaced by microwave technology. Second, the 161.700 frequency you mentioned earlier was used by Morgan Kaolian who not only did the traffic ( Flight 60) for WICC but was once airport manager at Sikorski airport in Stratford. At some point Morgan left WICC and began doing what he loved best, aerial photography. The State paid him a lot of money to take aerial pictures of crime scenes for major crimes that went to trial. He even ran a bi-plane ( red I think) that you could pay to ride in which was way cool, out of Sikorski. It used to be so much fun listening to the studio call him on the radio and tell him when he was next, then hear him on the radio and the scanner at the same time. I know that even after he left WICC, he still used flight 60 as his call sign when taking to the air. I heard him many times as hanging out at the airport with my scanner was a favorite pass time of mine when I lived in Stratford! I miss those days! Morgan now flies a yellow vintage 1946 Piper Cub and a Cessna 172 Skyhawk that you can pay to ride in, take a look:
http://www.aeropix.net/biplane/piper-index.htm

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