Nighty Drone Sightings

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It's no secret that large drones are being flown nightly over NJ. At my QTH they're a common sight lately. Is this just a NJ thing or are other seeing droves of drones at night? Thanks.
 

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It's no secret that large drones are being flown nightly over NJ. At my QTH they're a common sight lately. Is this just a NJ thing or are other seeing droves of drones at night? Thanks.

A number of threads in the forums about that, here's a couple....


 

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A number of threads in the forums about that, here's a couple....


Tnx and 73's.
 

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There have been some similar incidents over here in the UK, specifically around the US bases at RAF Mildenhall, RAF Lakenheath and RAF Feltwell so I wonder if these are all linked.
 

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More or less off-topic, but last year a guy was driving real slow down my street and didn't see me in my front yard. I had my garage open because I was doing yard work and he stopped in front of my house. I popped out and surprised him. He said he was looking for his drone and could he come in my back yard to look for it. I said no, I'll look for it later and set it out front if I find it. He gave an awesome response of I don't know what his drone looks like, I said I'm pretty sure I don't have multiple drones in my back yard so if I find one I'm pretty sure it's yours. He left after that.


His goal was to get us in the back yard while his partner stole whatever out of my garage.
 

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A number of threads in the forums about that, here's a couple....


Both are those threads are CLOSED
 

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There have been some similar incidents over here in the UK, specifically around the US bases at RAF Mildenhall, RAF Lakenheath and RAF Feltwell so I wonder if these are all linked.
We had the same here in Sweden a while ago with a swarm of incidents with drones flying over airports, nuclear power plants and the royal palace and those kind of places that have strict no photo zones and no fly zones. People reported that they where no small hobby drones but much bigger ones. It was never found out who controlled them.

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It was never found out who controlled them.


I find this very hard to believe, especially in this country with the sheer amount of lackluster knowledge on where they are from. Reason I say that is because primary radar can see an object up to at least a couple feet (1 meter) in length. The things that are flying around New Jersey are reported to be at least 6' (1.8 Meters). Also, most primary radar can see at a minimum elevation of 200' (61 Meters). Some more advanced primary radar can see objects down to 50' (15 Meters). So having said that, "they" (the government and whatnot) know damn well where they are being launched from and where they are and are going at all times.
 

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Airport radars only see objects that have a transponder reply attached to its echo so it has to be a military radar that can see those objects. But drones can be made of balsa wood and glassfiber and have almost no echo from its few metallic objects like motors and control electronics.

Even if they see where they origin from and where they went low enough to avoid any radar they will be long gone when any police have contacted the military and got that location information and then arrives at that general position that might not be the actual place where they landed.

It will be almost impossible to catch a drone if you can't be there at that moment and shoot it down, or interfere with the radio signals that controls it, but usually that will only trigger a return-to-home function that in many cases uses a gyro and height radar and doesn't need GPS. It takes a helicopter to follow that drone to its landing spot.

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Also, most primary radar can see at a minimum elevation of 200' (61 Meters). Some more advanced primary radar can see objects down to 50' (15 Meters).
The minimum altitude above ground that something can be detected on radar depends on the hight of the radar antenna and the surround terrain. An ASR on a short tower that's not on a mountain top is not going to pick up aircraft at 50 feet 100 miles away.
 

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Airport radars only see objects that have a transponder reply attached to its echo so it has to be a military radar that can see those objects. But drones can be made of balsa wood and glassfiber and have almost no echo from its few metallic objects like motors and control electronics.

Even if they see where they origin from and where they went low enough to avoid any radar they will be long gone when any police have contacted the military and got that location information and then arrives at that general position that might not be the actual place where they landed.

It will be almost impossible to catch a drone if you can't be there at that moment and shoot it down, or interfere with the radio signals that controls it, but usually that will only trigger a return-to-home function that in many cases uses a gyro and height radar and doesn't need GPS. It takes a helicopter to follow that drone to its landing spot.

/Ubbe

Fiberglass or carbon fiber sounds very intriguing, and I hope we just didn't tip off the adversary. LOL One of these drones has crashed the other day and I'd like to know more about it. I don't read or watch much of the news so have to do some searching. I guess I'm "uninformed."

We are definitely at the cusp of a a whole new battlefield with drones. The Russian, Ukrainian war has certainly shown that. It's kinda like World War One in that the planes back then were dropping grenades or other primitive explosives from the air. Now it's drones. In the coming decade they'll be much more advanced.

Yeah, fiberglass or carbon fiber, that's a real PITA now isn't? Even for FLIR... You'd have to see about using Muons as a passive radar of sorts I suppose... Always a cat and mouse game. As an inventor, I often find that if I can think it so have about 100 or more other people. The things we (the U.S.) have are probably out of this world, let me tell you...



The minimum altitude above ground that something can be detected on radar depends on the hight of the radar antenna and the surround terrain. An ASR on a short tower that's not on a mountain top is not going to pick up aircraft at 50 feet 100 miles away.

Now's the time for someone to try passive radar with a KrakenSDR I suppose. I would.
 
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We had the same here in Sweden a while ago with a swarm of incidents with drones flying over airports, nuclear power plants and the royal palace and those kind of places that have strict no photo zones and no fly zones. People reported that they where no small hobby drones but much bigger ones. It was never found out who controlled them.

/Ubbe
Interesting! Do you have any links about this? Even if they are only in Swedish, that is ok.
 

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I can google some links for you.
They did had some people coming over the border from Norway to Sweden in the most northern part where Norway also have a border to Russia and they had some suspicious drones with them. I don't remember the whole story if they had done some oil platform droneing in Norway and their Police wanted to talk to them.





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Fiberglass or carbon fiber sounds very intriguing, and I hope we just didn't tip off the adversary. LOL One of these drones has crashed the other day and I'd like to know more about it. I don't read or watch much of the news so have to do some searching. I guess I'm "uninformed."

We are definitely at the cusp of a a whole new battlefield with drones. The Russian, Ukrainian war has certainly shown that. It's kinda like World War One in that the planes back then were dropping grenades or other primitive explosives from the air. Now it's drones. In the coming decade they'll be much more advanced.

Yeah, fiberglass or carbon fiber, that's a real PITA now isn't? Even for FLIR... You'd have to see about using Muons as a passive radar of sorts I suppose... Always a cat and mouse game. As an inventor, I often find that if I can think it so have about 100 or more other people. The things we (the U.S.) have are probably out of this world, let me tell you...





Now's the time for someone to try passive radar with a KrakenSDR I suppose. I would.
I've done lots of radar cross section testing of plastic and carbon fiber objects, they do reflect radar signals depending on the shape and how they are facing the radar.
 
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