NOAA S.A.M.E CODES

[loumaag]

Guys, you are being difficult.

MesquiteWx: What you said at first, way up there is correct if you are talking about a Weather Radio. It is not correct if you are talking about a scanner.

rdale: You are making a point but you refuse to type enough to explain your point.

WR9A: You explained it pretty well but aparrently MesquiteWX must live somewhere where the only county covered by the NWR transmitter is his county.

Simply put, and referring to scanners, if you place a scanner in Weather Priority mode (providing your scanner has such a mode) it will check the designated WX channel every couple of seconds, if it hears the 1050 Hz tone it will then open squelch on the WX channel you have established to monitor. It makes no use of any SAME code you might have entered. If you take that same scanner and put it in WX Monitor mode, it will sit on the WX channel only and if the NWR transmits the SAME code you have programed it will open the squelch and ignore SAME codes that you have not programed.

Weather Radios don't scan, so there is no similar WX Priority mode for them at all, they can either be used in SAME mode, ALERT mode, or just monitor constantly.

Now as to the SAME code configuration, I am brave enough to tell you that I have no idea if the geographic breakdown can be handled via the first digit yet. But I can assure you that what I stated above in reference to how a scanner or WX radio works is correct and your understanding is faulty in regard to that is faulty.

 

[MesquiteWx]

I never said that. I said weather priority does not work with the SAME code. It does not.

Wanna bet? Apparently you don't know how to use your Pro-95 because it works perfect on mine. Wish I was able to take video during all the storms and alerts because I would have proved it to you. If if does not work then what's the point of even having it? Because on mine it does! I can even prove it!

Do you still not know how SAME codes even work?

The NOAA Weather Radio system does NOT have the county segment code implemented.

Read the FAQ from the NWS about sub-county codes.

National Weather Service - Warning Decision Training Branch

Question: I’ve heard about sub-county codes that can be used by NOAA Weather Radio to alert smaller areas. Will these codes by used?

Answer: Not during the initial implementation. There will be no change in the NOAA Weather Radio coding and dissemination of warnings with the implementation of storm-based warnings. Long-term there may be limited use of the partial county codes, but that is at least a year away.

You quoted a source that has not been updated since Oct 2009. We're in 2013 now Micheal J Fox!

So since that was posted it has been implemented.

Wrong. The radio in weather priority with no SAME code entered will alert you based on the steady tone.

WRONG! It can't alert you because its looking for a SAME code so it knows what alert to broadcast.

Once again, do you KNOW WHAT A SAME CODE IS???? I've asked you this many, many, many times and you STILL haven't answered it!

I've been using scanners FAR longer than you. I've developed FAR more weather apps than you. I'm a meteorologist. I'm an emergency manager.

I know the system.

You don't.

Oh really? That's nice, I worked for the firm that redesigned the entire NWS website. I developed the MANY scripts and placefiles that spotters are using everyday, supply data that storm spotters across the nation use everyday with various software applications such as GRLevel X for example just for starters. Not to mention several scripts for commercial sites to display data in a visual format. That's just for starters.

Sure wish I had time to take video tonight during the several alerts that went off to show you but I am sure you STILL would have argued. You have now argued two different things you are completely CLUELESS about.

 

[MesquiteWx]

Simply put, and referring to scanners, if you place a scanner in Weather Priority mode (providing your scanner has such a mode) it will check the designated WX channel every couple of seconds, if it hears the 1050 Hz tone it will then open squelch on the WX channel you have established to monitor. It makes no use of any SAME code you might have entered.

That is completely INCORRECT....

The next time there is severe weather I will set up a video to monitor my scanner and I will even show you. If you didn't have the SAME code it will alert you of every alert the transmitter covers. The SAME code limits that and displays the message as well.

MesquiteWX must live somewhere where the only county covered by the NWR transmitter is his county.

Nope....

Mesquite Weather - Live Local Weather For Mesquite Texas & eastern Dallas County - Dallas' NOAA Weather Radio Coverage

If you didn't enter the SAME code you would be getting alerts for every county that transmitter covers which is 8. That's the whole point of it and how it is triggered.

 

[bamx2]

From the 396 easier to read manual

Weather Alert Priority Turning the weather alert priority feature on allows the scanner to check the weather channels every 5 seconds for a 1050 Hz weather alert signal and still scan or search. If you should receive an alert, you will hear a loud warbling then the weather channel audio. You will see WX in the display when Weather Alert Priority is on. Warning! If you receive an alert it will be at FULL volume.

From the official Radio Shack Pro 95 Manual

Priority WX is only
for receiving a
weather alert.
• When the scanner
detects a 1050 Hz
alert tone, priority
WX activates and
you receive a
weather alert.

From the Easier to Read Pro 106/197/PSR 500/600 Manual

Weather Priority mode monitors the current weather frequency periodically (see Weather settings in the 'Expert Settings' menu) while scanning to see if the All Hazards 1050 Hz Warning Alert Tone (WAT) is present. If so, the scanner will sound an alarm and tune to the specified weather frequency to monitor the alert.

From, CFR-2004 title47 vol1 sec11-31, specifying the proper EAS transmission.

The EAS protocol and message format are specified in the following
representation.

Examples are provided in FCC Public Notices.

[PREAMBLE]ZCZC-ORG-EEE-PSSCCC+TTTT-JJJHHMM-LLLLLLLL-(one second pause)
[PREAMBLE]ZCZC-ORG-EEE-PSSCCC+TTTT-JJJHHMM-LLLLLLLL-(one second pause)
[PREAMBLE]ZCZC-ORG-EEE-PSSCCC+TTTT-JJJHHMM-LLLLLLLL-(at least a one
second pause)
(transmission of 8 to 25 seconds of Attention Signal)
(transmission of audio, video or text messages)
(at least a one second pause)

You can see, the county codes are sent before the 1050 tone. Above you can see in "weather priority mode" the scanners only search for the 1050 tone. If they are only tuning in for a 1050 tone, then you will not receive the FIPS/SAME codes, and your scanner will not filter it out by county, rather by what counties the transmitter covers.

 

[loumaag]

Wrong. The radio in weather priority with no SAME code entered will alert you based on the steady tone.

WRONG! It can't alert you because its looking for a SAME code so it knows what alert to broadcast.

Once again, do you KNOW WHAT A SAME CODE IS???? I've asked you this many, many, many times and you STILL haven't answered it!

First, rdale is correct as I and other have tried to tell you. You may have been doing something in the weather area for 7 years or so (I think that is what you claimed somewhere earlier) but apparently you have no idea how the scanner that you are programming actually works. As for your continual referal to a Pro-95, I gave mine away over 10 years ago because I realized it would be a brick for what I used a scanner for by now. So yeah, I think I know what I am talking about. As for rdale's knowledge of SAME, I find your attitude somewhat amusing, considering what I know about him and what I don't know about you.

Simply put, and referring to scanners, if you place a scanner in Weather Priority mode (providing your scanner has such a mode) it will check the designated WX channel every couple of seconds, if it hears the 1050 Hz tone it will then open squelch on the WX channel you have established to monitor. It makes no use of any SAME code you might have entered.

That is completely INCORRECT....

Actually, it is entirely correct.

The next time there is severe weather I will set up a video to monitor my scanner and I will even show you. If you didn't have the SAME code it will alert you of every alert the transmitter covers. The SAME code limits that and displays the message as well.

Well go ahead. I won't disagree with you on what you are describing, I (and everyone else in this topic) am simply saying that it doesn't do that in Weather Priority mode.

MesquiteWX must live somewhere where the only county covered by the NWR transmitter is his county.

Nope....

Mesquite Weather - Live Local Weather For Mesquite Texas & eastern Dallas County - Dallas' NOAA Weather Radio Coverage

If you didn't enter the SAME code you would be getting alerts for every county that transmitter covers which is 8. That's the whole point of it and how it is triggered.

I am guessing that this site you referenced, based on its name and your ID here, is run by you or you are closely associated with it. That doesn't surprise me, since it is inaccurately representing the areas covered. Now I don't live in the Dallas/Ft Worth area, but according to the real NWR map (make sure to scroll to the New Map), the Dallas station only fully covers 2 counties but alerts for 12, neither of which are numbers you represent on your linked site.

bamx2 has shown, on the previous post, the various definative references that explain how weather priority works on the scanners you have mentioned. Those references seem to agree with all the other long time members who have been discussing this for years and seem to discount what you are claiming, so perhaps you have been a bit hasty in your explanations. I realize that you are a new member and new folks to the site often feel they need to make their mark or establish some sort of foothold, but really you are embarrassing yourself at this point.