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I am asking what QRP radios are available that not Chinese made. I only know of Yaesu, are there others, thank you. As I am studying to write my exam and listening on my FT-70DR I am really leaning towards QRP as I like spending time outdoors and setting up a QRP system at remote locations is very appealing.
 

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Among current-production models, you have the Elecraft KX2 and KX3, Icom IC-705, and the Yaesu FT-818.
 

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Thanks very much you guys, I like how portable the KX2 is.
 
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The Lab599 TX-500 is becoming a real talking point. I just ordered one myself after owning a KX3 and KX2. The KX3 was a mistake on my part, I will probably sell it. For portability the KX3 is good in size but the KX2 really is superior in my mind, especially having the internal battery. Yes it's a pain having to take the battery out to charge, but it's not a deal killer. I'm really excited about the TX-500 for its ruggedness.
 

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I have a KX3, Icom 705 and have owned a KX2 and FT-817. The KX3 is a lot of radio and competes with some of the finest radios out there in performance. There is a lot of engineering and smarts in the KX3 and you pay dearly for that. There is also a 2m module for the KX3 which makes it into a very high performance 2m SSB radio but at only 3 watts. The optional PX3 spectrum/waterfall display is fantastic but adds weight and complexity for portable use. For base station use its a must have.

The KX2 is smaller, lighter and a little more suited for backpacking. Its not as frequency stable for running sensitive modes like FT8 and it doesn't have 6m or 160m. Both the KX3 and KX2 have internal HF auto tuner options and these two radios will out talk any other radio in their class with super loud punchy audio, except for maybe the Icom 705.

Yaesu FT-817, where do I start.... Ok, this is a well known radio with lots of reviews and I don't own it any longer for far too many reasons to mention here.

The Icom 705 is a dream in a box. After getting one I sold my KX2 since it would never be used again and I haven't turned on my KX3 with PX3 spectral display since getting the 705. The 705 has just about anything you could ever want and its only a little larger and heavier than a KX3. The only two drawbacks I have found is the lack of an HF autotuner and I'm afraid of damaging the radio.

Both my KX2 and KX3 had the excellent aftermarket side panels with protective handles and Lexan cover from Gemsproducts and with those on you can literally throw the radio across the room and it will survive. Side KX Scott at Gemsproducts decided not to make a similar product for the 705, possibly due to the complexity and then he bought a protective carry cage for his 705 from Peovi here IC-705 CARRY CAGE - Peovi Then Scott announced he is partnering with Peovi to make a snap on protective cover similar to the Elecraft line and that will be out soon.

At first I didn't want to spend the $$ on the Peovi cage but eventually got one and its really nice and will protect most of the 705 just fine, at the expense of a little more weight. After getting the Peovi cage I can see its actually worth more than the asking price due to its over the top engineering, very high quality and you have to wonder how they even made the thing. I have a prototype snap on cover from Scott for the Peovi cage and a production version will finish off the package making the Icom 705 my first choice in a do everything lightweight portable QRP rig. Add a tiny Elecraft T1 HF auto tuner and small Manfrotto camera tripod which completes the package and I may never use my KX3 again. T1 ATU Antenna Tuner

With this setup you have similar features and performance of an Icom 7300 on HF and many of the features of the Icom 9700 on VHF and UHF for base station use and you can take it to the park or go backpacking and run it from its internal battery, which lasts a surprisingly long time. You can later add an HF amplifier and the Icom 705 becomes the center of your amateur world.

Hey, can I get any kickbacks from Icom, Peovi or Gemsproducts over here please??? OK, even without any kickbacks the Icom 705 with all the stuff mentioned is my new dream QRP rig that I can highly recommend.
 
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I have a KX3, Icom 705 and have owned a KX2 and FT-817. The KX3 is a lot of radio and competes with some of the finest radios out there in performance. There is a lot of engineering and smarts in the KX3 and you pay dearly for that. There is also a 2m module for the KX3 which makes it into a very high performance 2m SSB radio but at only 3 watts. The optional PX3 spectrum/waterfall display is fantastic but adds weight and complexity for portable use. For base station use its a must have.

The KX2 is smaller, lighter and a little more suited for backpacking. Its not as frequency stable for running sensitive modes like FT8 and it doesn't have 6m or 160m. Both the KX3 and KX2 have internal HF auto tuner options and these two radios will out talk any other radio in their class with super loud punchy audio, except for maybe the Icom 705.

Yaesu FT-817, where do I start.... Ok, this is a well known radio with lots of reviews and I don't own it any longer for far too many reasons to mention here.

The Icom 705 is a dream in a box. After getting one I sold my KX2 since it would never be used again and I haven't turned on my KX3 with PX3 spectral display since getting the 705. The 705 has just about anything you could ever want and its only a little larger and heavier than a KX3. The only two drawbacks I have found is the lack of an HF autotuner and I'm afraid of damaging the radio.

Both my KX2 and KX3 had the excellent aftermarket side panels with protective handles and Lexan cover from Gemsproducts and with those on you can literally throw the radio across the room and it will survive. Side KX Scott at Gemsproducts decided not to make a similar product for the 705, possibly due to the complexity and then he bought a protective carry cage for his 705 from Peovi here IC-705 CARRY CAGE - Peovi Then Scott announced he is partnering with Peovi to make a snap on protective cover similar to the Elecraft line and that will be out soon.

At first I didn't want to spend the $$ on the Peovi cage but eventually got one and its really nice and will protect most of the 705 just fine, at the expense of a little more weight. After getting the Peovi cage I can see its actually worth more than the asking price due to its over the top engineering, very high quality and you have to wonder how they even made the thing. I have a prototype snap on cover from Scott for the Peovi cage and a production version will finish off the package making the Icom 705 my first choice in a do everything lightweight portable QRP rig. Add a tiny Elecraft T1 HF auto tuner and small Manfrotto camera tripod which completes the package and I may never use my KX3 again. T1 ATU Antenna Tuner

With this setup you have similar features and performance of an Icom 7300 on HF and many of the features of the Icom 9700 on VHF and UHF for base station use and you can take it to the park or go backpacking and run it from its internal battery, which lasts a surprisingly long time. You can later add an HF amplifier and the Icom 705 becomes the center of your amateur world.

Hey, can I get any kickbacks from Icom, Peovi or Gemsproducts over here please??? OK, even without any kickbacks the Icom 705 with all the stuff mentioned is my new dream QRP rig that I can highly recommend.
Nice input.

One of the main reason I didn't get the 705 was because of the touchscreen. If I wasn't so impatient I probably wouldn't have purchased the KX3 with the 2m module, although it is a nice rig to have as a spare in the shack. I really wanted to get the 705 but the combination of the lack of a tuner, the touchscreen, and the weird shape/size just keeps me away for now. I really like the idea though and I really hope Yaesu is working on something similar.

I can't wait to get the TX-500 and the PA500 amp/tuner that's coming out. I think it's going to tick all the boxes for portable QRP for me, at least for now.
 

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How hard would it be to add a connector you could plug a charger into?
Pretty challenging, there isn't a lot of space in the radio and it uses a 5.5mm OD plug. I also don't know enough to know.
 

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I forgot to mention another US made QRP rig that I have some experience with, the CommRadio CTX-10. Oh, where do I start.....
I had been following this radios development with much anticipation and got to speak with its designer asking some specific questions about transmitter and receiver performance. The designer assured me that all of my concerns have been taken care of in the design and his bottom line was if I don't like it, just return it.

When the radio became available I bought one at the Dayton Hamvention. Using the radio in our Dayton hotel room with a small antenna seemed ok but when I got home and talked with some friends they detected the transmitter getting chopped up by the microphone noise gate circuit, which doesn't really belong in a QRP field rig. Then I noticed on a large antenna the receiver had a lot of problems with AGC and apparent overload.

I sent the designer some recordings of my findings and a firmware update was promised to address the problems, but the more I used the radio the more it didn't measure up. Its nice that its designed and made in the US of high quality components, but it didn't work well for me. I returned the radio before the firmware updates where issued, annoying the designer and I don't blame him. After studying the block diagram and parts list I found the receiver uses some very low performance parts that you would find in a $20 retail SDR dongle receiver.

Awhile later Rob Sherwood got a CTX-10 to test for receiver performance, which explained my experience with the radio and the results were shocking to me. Of all the radios Rob has tested over the last 30 or more years, the CommRadio CTX-10 tested at the bottom of the list, the absolute worst wide and close spaced dynamic range ever tested and its sensitivity sucks. It is a $20 SDR dongle in a bigger box.

So what you have is a radio that is only suited for use with a small, inefficient antenna, but the receiver sensitivity at 1uv is not very good for picking out weak stations on your small inefficient antenna. Connect it to a large antenna and the receiver gets blitzed. If you are considering a CTX-10 its a dog, a mistake, save your money or buy something else.

Check the very bottom of this page: Receiver Test Data
 
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I have a KX3, Icom 705 and have owned a KX2 and FT-817. The KX3 is a lot of radio and competes with some of the finest radios out there in performance. There is a lot of engineering and smarts in the KX3 and you pay dearly for that. There is also a 2m module for the KX3 which makes it into a very high performance 2m SSB radio but at only 3 watts. The optional PX3 spectrum/waterfall display is fantastic but adds weight and complexity for portable use. For base station use its a must have.

The KX2 is smaller, lighter and a little more suited for backpacking. Its not as frequency stable for running sensitive modes like FT8 and it doesn't have 6m or 160m. Both the KX3 and KX2 have internal HF auto tuner options and these two radios will out talk any other radio in their class with super loud punchy audio, except for maybe the Icom 705.

Yaesu FT-817, where do I start.... Ok, this is a well known radio with lots of reviews and I don't own it any longer for far too many reasons to mention here.

The Icom 705 is a dream in a box. After getting one I sold my KX2 since it would never be used again and I haven't turned on my KX3 with PX3 spectral display since getting the 705. The 705 has just about anything you could ever want and its only a little larger and heavier than a KX3. The only two drawbacks I have found is the lack of an HF autotuner and I'm afraid of damaging the radio.

Both my KX2 and KX3 had the excellent aftermarket side panels with protective handles and Lexan cover from Gemsproducts and with those on you can literally throw the radio across the room and it will survive. Side KX Scott at Gemsproducts decided not to make a similar product for the 705, possibly due to the complexity and then he bought a protective carry cage for his 705 from Peovi here IC-705 CARRY CAGE - Peovi Then Scott announced he is partnering with Peovi to make a snap on protective cover similar to the Elecraft line and that will be out soon.

At first I didn't want to spend the $$ on the Peovi cage but eventually got one and its really nice and will protect most of the 705 just fine, at the expense of a little more weight. After getting the Peovi cage I can see its actually worth more than the asking price due to its over the top engineering, very high quality and you have to wonder how they even made the thing. I have a prototype snap on cover from Scott for the Peovi cage and a production version will finish off the package making the Icom 705 my first choice in a do everything lightweight portable QRP rig. Add a tiny Elecraft T1 HF auto tuner and small Manfrotto camera tripod which completes the package and I may never use my KX3 again. T1 ATU Antenna Tuner

With this setup you have similar features and performance of an Icom 7300 on HF and many of the features of the Icom 9700 on VHF and UHF for base station use and you can take it to the park or go backpacking and run it from its internal battery, which lasts a surprisingly long time. You can later add an HF amplifier and the Icom 705 becomes the center of your amateur world.

Hey, can I get any kickbacks from Icom, Peovi or Gemsproducts over here please??? OK, even without any kickbacks the Icom 705 with all the stuff mentioned is my new dream QRP rig that I can highly recommend.
Thanks fro the mention of the 705 carry case, I just got the radio and didn't know a case was out there! Fyi, haven't had the radio more than a month and already love it.
 

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Here is what the 705 looks like with the Peovi cage, Manfrotto tripod and Elecraft T1 tuner. I can't show you the snap on cover for the front panel yet because mine is a prototype plastic printed version and the final product will be injection molded and see through.

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Thanks fro the mention of the 705 carry case, I just got the radio and didn't know a case was out there! Fyi, haven't had the radio more than a month and already love it.
 

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@prcguy Total QRP porn. Please update this thread, or start another on that "see through" 705 cover when it's available. ;)
 

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Wow thanks for all the comments and recommendations. Unfortunately my budget wasnt realistic enough to get any nom chinese radio. The TX-500 is extremely difficult to get especially getting into Canada but overall its budget. I’m new to radio completely and picked up the Yeasu FT-70DR to start listening because i am currently still studying for my license. But I was able to get a really good deal on a QRP setup and i think as a beginner it will give me plenty of radio to learn although i can only listen right now, my purpose will be for POTA.
 

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The Lab599 TX-500 is becoming a real talking point. I just ordered one myself after owning a KX3 and KX2. The KX3 was a mistake on my part, I will probably sell it. For portability the KX3 is good in size but the KX2 really is superior in my mind, especially having the internal battery. Yes it's a pain having to take the battery out to charge, but it's not a deal killer. I'm really excited about the TX-500 for its ruggedness.
It looks promising, but it is not shipping yet.
 
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