Northzone Fleetmap Changes - Escondido Transition to Northcomm

brendan3 · Nov 21, 2023

Looks like January is when this is planned to take effect.

As a result it also appears this is changing some of the primary talk groups for local agencies dispatched through NComm. Please note that not all details are confirmed and are subject to change.

Key Changes:

Coastal (OCN, CBD, ENC, SOL, DEL) Departments Dispatch / Admin / Tacs
3A DISP / 3B ADMIN / 3C 3D 3E 3F 3G

Inland (NCF, VIS, SMC, RSF) Departments Dispatch / Admin / Tacs
4A DISP / 4B ADMIN / 4C 4D 4E 4F 4G

East of I-15 Departments (VCF, PAL, ESC, RIN, PAU)Dispatch / Admin / Tacs
5A DISP / 5B ADMIN / 5C 5D 5E 5F 5G 5H 5I 5J

Other Changes:

SDMARS becomes RCS ACCESS. INTSERV becomes CAR 5 and is Digital.
No Encryption in IMA, RMA, or Conventional MA zones (8M1, 8M2, 7M1, 7M2)
TRN is a Fire Training Zone intened to allow users to train on radio operations using digital audio. Talkgroups alternate Analog - Digital.
ADD: TRN P EMG
New CARS channels 1-4 (CARS A - CARS D) will revert to "CARS 1" - "CARS 4" at second rebanding touch

F/AIR Imperial becomes I F/AIR
F/AIR SD becomes SD F/AIR
L/AIR Imperial becomes I L/AIR
L/AIR SD becomes SD L/AIR
M/AIR Imperial becomes I M/AIR
M/AIR SD becomes SD M/AIR

Thank you,
B

B · Nov 21, 2023

Great info, thank you!
Bill

JeremyG760 · Nov 21, 2023

brendan3 said:
F/AIR Imperial becomes I F/AIR
F/AIR SD becomes SD F/AIR
L/AIR Imperial becomes I L/AIR
L/AIR SD becomes SD L/AIR
M/AIR Imperial becomes I M/AIR
M/AIR SD becomes SD M/AIR

Do you happen to know if the TGIDs are likely to change, or just the naming convention?

brendan3 · Nov 21, 2023

JeremyG760 said:
Do you happen to know if the TGIDs are likely to change, or just the naming convention?

Unknown.

brendan3 · Nov 21, 2023

Additionally while combing through the fleetmap and RR database I have found the following.

Transportable Radio Facility Zones YY / ZZ

CALL YY

CMD YY

TAC YY3

TAC YY4

TAC YY5

TAC YY6

TAC YY7

TAC YY8

TAC YY9

TAC YY10

TAC YY11

TAC YY12

TAC YY13

TAC YY14

TAC YY15

EMER YY

CALL ZZ

CMD ZZ

TAC ZZ3

TAC ZZ4

TAC ZZ5

TAC ZZ6

TAC ZZ7

TAC ZZ8

TAC ZZ9

TAC ZZ10

TAC ZZ11

TAC ZZ12

TAC ZZ13

TAC ZZ14

TAC ZZ15

EMER ZZ

Not in database - UNKNOWN TGID
FIRE TRVL
LE TRVL
BLS RSV1

New Hospital Talk Groups - UNKNOWN TGID
Possibly replacing "KAISER" and/or "BLSKSD"

KZION - ZION
KSDMC - SAN DIEGO MEDICAL CENTER
KSMAR - SAN MARCOS

brendan3 · Nov 21, 2023

Not in database - UNKNOWN TGID
BLS RSV1
SDMARS becoming RCS ACCESS
INTSERV becoming CARS 5 (Digital)
TRN P EMG

INTEROP Travel Channels
FIRE-EMS TRVL - 7DATA69D
LE TRVL - 7DATA89D

Missing from 2024 Northzone Fleetmap - Possibly discontinued?
800 A/G
CARS 5 Conventional/Analog

brendan3 · Nov 21, 2023

Not in database - UNKNOWN TGID
SND8DIR2

disp10 · Nov 23, 2023

brendan3 said:
Additionally while combing through the fleetmap and RR database I have found the following.

Transportable Radio Facility Zones YY / ZZ

CALL YY CMD YY TAC YY3 TAC YY4 TAC YY5 TAC YY6 TAC YY7 TAC YY8 TAC YY9 TAC YY10 TAC YY11 TAC YY12 TAC YY13 TAC YY14 TAC YY15 EMER YY
CALL ZZ CMD ZZ TAC ZZ3 TAC ZZ4 TAC ZZ5 TAC ZZ6 TAC ZZ7 TAC ZZ8 TAC ZZ9 TAC ZZ10 TAC ZZ11 TAC ZZ12 TAC ZZ13 TAC ZZ14 TAC ZZ15 EMER ZZ

Not in database - UNKNOWN TGID
FIRE TRVL
LE TRVL
BLS RSV1

New Hospital Talk Groups - UNKNOWN TGID
Possibly replacing "KAISER" and/or "BLSKSD"

KZION - ZION

KSDMC - SAN DIEGO MEDICAL CENTER

KSMAR - SAN MARCOS

KSMAR = TGID 79
KSDMC = TGID 323
KZION = TGID 555

brendan3 · Dec 5, 2023

JeremyG760 said:
Do you happen to know if the TGIDs are likely to change, or just the naming convention?

As of now its only the naming convention.

inigo88 · Dec 17, 2023

I think these North Zone fire training channels got migrated to the new RCS NextGen P25 system from the original RCS SmartZone system when the Sheriff's office made the change to the ASTRO P25 core.

In reality I suspect these were deprecated long before, but looking at the fire fleetmap is it safe to assume these old talkgroups can be deleted?

1808	710	D	NZT 1	North Zone Tac 1 - Training	Fire-Tac
1809	711	D	NZT 2	North Zone Tac 2 - Training	Fire-Tac
5	005	D	NZT 3	North Zone Tac 3 - Training	Fire-Tac
7	007	D	NZT 4	North Zone Tac 4 - Training (Escondido)	Fire-Tac

Edit: To echo @brendan3 's question above, does anybody know these RCS talkgroup IDs?

BLS RSV1 is missing TGID unknown
TRN P EMG is missing TGID unknown

These may be another case where an old talkgroup ID may still be in the database, but in reality that talkgroup was dropped for the RCS NextGen and then repurposed.

brendan3 · Dec 17, 2023

inigo88 said:
I think these North Zone fire training channels got migrated to the new RCS NextGen P25 system from the original RCS SmartZone system when the Sheriff's office made the change to the ASTRO P25 core.

In reality I suspect these were deprecated long before, but looking at the fire fleetmap is it safe to assume these old talkgroups can be deleted?

1808 710 D NZT 1 North Zone Tac 1 - Training Fire-Tac
1809 711 D NZT 2 North Zone Tac 2 - Training Fire-Tac
5 005 D NZT 3 North Zone Tac 3 - Training Fire-Tac
7 007 D NZT 4 North Zone Tac 4 - Training (Escondido) Fire-Tac

No those are still used specifically within the north zone. They are in the 2024 fleetmap.

JeremyG760 · Dec 17, 2023

inigo88 said:
I think these North Zone fire training channels got migrated to the new RCS NextGen P25 system from the original RCS SmartZone system when the Sheriff's office made the change to the ASTRO P25 core.

In reality I suspect these were deprecated long before, but looking at the fire fleetmap is it safe to assume these old talkgroups can be deleted?

1808 710 D NZT 1 North Zone Tac 1 - Training Fire-Tac
1809 711 D NZT 2 North Zone Tac 2 - Training Fire-Tac
5 005 D NZT 3 North Zone Tac 3 - Training Fire-Tac
7 007 D NZT 4 North Zone Tac 4 - Training (Escondido) Fire-Tac

Edit: To echo @brendan3 's question above, does anybody know these RCS talkgroup IDs?

BLS RSV1 is missing TGID unknown
TRN P EMG is missing TGID unknown

These may be another case where an old talkgroup ID may still be in the database, but in reality that talkgroup was dropped for the RCS NextGen and then repurposed.

I've definitely seen training in use, though I typically avoid it and haven't paid attention to which was being used or by whom

inigo88 · Dec 17, 2023

brendan3 said:
No those are still used specifically within the north zone. They are in the 2024 fleetmap.

Awesome, I'll leave them alone then. Do you recall what zone/mode they are? I've seen the 2020 RCS Fire Fleetmap but didn't see them in Zone 15 TRN.

brendan3 · Dec 17, 2023

Zone 30 for my department:

NZ T1

NZ T2

NZ T3

NZ T4

TRN D

TRN E

TRN F

disp10 · Dec 19, 2023

inigo88 said:
BLS RSV1 is missing TGID unknown
TRN P EMG is missing TGID unknown

These may be another case where an old talkgroup ID may still be in the database, but in reality that talkgroup was dropped for the RCS NextGen and then repurposed.

TRN P EMG is TG 2461.

inigo88 · Dec 20, 2023

disp10 said:
TRN P EMG is TG 2461.

Thanks! Added to the DB.

disp10 · Dec 21, 2023

inigo88 said:
BLS RSV1 is missing TGID unknown
TRN P EMG is missing TGID unknown

These may be another case where an old talkgroup ID may still be in the database, but in reality that talkgroup was dropped for the RCS NextGen and then repurposed.

And BLS RSV1 is confirmed as TG 279.

brendan3 · Dec 22, 2023

Thanks @disp10!

All that's left is to figure out is this SNDDIR2 mystery and what the status is of 800 A/G as it is missing from the 2024 fleetmap.

JeremyG760 · Dec 22, 2023

"North Zone Tac 3 - Training" (TGID 5) is in use right now for the "tower incident"

disp10 · Dec 30, 2023

brendan3 said:
Thanks @disp10!

All that's left is to figure out is this SNDDIR2 mystery and what the status is of 800 A/G as it is missing from the 2024 fleetmap.

SND 8DIR2 is 856.1625. Tone is 131.8.

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