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Hey y'all. I'm not sure if this is more of a 'regional' problem (like I should be posting in my state or whatnot), but I wanted to see if this was a global type issue. So I listen to a lot of Fire/EMS and Police frequencies (VHF primarily). I always can hear the dispatch and things going 'out' but a lot of times i never can hear people respond. For instance, if something were to be dispatched and they ask for a response from the fire truck, i never hear the response! Are they transmitting on another Fq.?

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mikie333 said:
Hey y'all. I'm not sure if this is more of a 'regional' problem (like I should be posting in my state or whatnot), but I wanted to see if this was a global type issue. So I listen to a lot of Fire/EMS and Police frequencies (VHF primarily). I always can hear the dispatch and things going 'out' but a lot of times i never can hear people respond. For instance, if something were to be dispatched and they ask for a response from the fire truck, i never hear the response! Are they transmitting on another Fq.?

thanks!

They are probably just using simplex communications, no repeater. In this system type, you would only hear the dispatcher if you are far away because chances are the dispatcher transmits on a very large antenna tower.
 

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im somewhat of a noobie/newbie...could you elaborate a little bit? I'm always within the "district" of what is being transmitted (im never far away from the firehouse or whatnot)

thanks for the quick response!
 

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mikie, i have the same problem with Jeffco 911, are you tuning into Central County 911? 154.3400? The problem is the dispatcher can hear the truck mobiles with no problem because their antenna is sitting up atop a huge tower...we dont have that luxury, but like the fire trucks, we can hear dispatch becasue they are broadcasting off of their huge tower...
 

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Some basic radio theory here.....

Propagation describes the tx/rx characteristics of a particular frequency band. VHF is known as line-of-sight propagation. Basically this means that the transmitting antennas and the receiving antennas have to be visible to each other.

If the system you're monitoring is not equipped with repeaters and covers a large geographic area you very well may have trouble with receiving mobile and handheld units the farther they are away from you. Geography and man-made obstructions will also factor into what you can and can't hear.

If the system you're monitoring is a repeater system do you have the right frequency(s) programmed? If you're listening to the input frequency you'll only hear what is immediately around you. You'll need to monitor the output frequency in order to hear the field units. Even with repeaters what I wrote above still applies: Geography and man-made obstructions will also factor into what you can and can't hear.

Of course the most important link in what you will hear is your antenna. Are you using the correct antenna for the frequency bands you're listening to? How high is it? Are you using quality coax cable to connect your antenna to your radio?

Hopefully some of these tips will help you hear what you're missing.
 

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Hi Mikie and all,

Never mind the radio theory, you can study that after I have given you a SIMPLE answer. St. Lou like any urban area most likely uses repeaters and it just could be you're listening to the input frequency rather than the output. Just as likely is the possibility the repeaters employ "satellite" receivers and a "voter" to feed the repeater with the best signal heard on one out of all the remote receivers. A receiver in the immediate neighborhood will pick up the mobile loud and clear while you being across town miles away won't hear it at all.

Unless it's some oddball semi-duplex system, by listening on the output you hear everything they hear. My local FD uses one of those, not all of the mobiles go through the repeater, some transmit on it's output frequency. If this weren't such a small town I wouldn't hear those particular units but thankfully they're never more than a mile and a half away and I have an excellent antenna system.

Hopefully you have or can get the callsigns of the systems in question and run the licenses through the FCC database at http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/searchAdvanced.jsp which will tell you both the input and output frequencies and which is which. That is the complete skinny, however the RR database may be simpler to use since in most cases only lists the outputs, the frequencies you want to listen to plus the squelch codes.

Now what was I saying about a simple answer? (;->) Well, just listen to the output frequencies, there's your simple answer.
 

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mikie333 said:
im somewhat of a noobie/newbie...could you elaborate a little bit? I'm always within the "district" of what is being transmitted (im never far away from the firehouse or whatnot)

thanks for the quick response!
It is always easier to help, if you supply exactly what it is you are trying to listen to. Even better, supply the URL to the RR Database page that contains the channel/system you are tyring to hear.
 

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I'm pretty sure they aren't using repeaters...I have the same problem in a neighboring county as mikie...and i know ( and according to RR DB) my county doesnt use repeaters for the fire bands...and after looking up the system he wants to monitor, they don't use repeaters either..
 

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I havenn't been to St Louis County for years but they were famous for the FDs and county police NOT using repeaters for some reason. Same thing in Kansas City until they went to the trunked system.
 

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I would guess they don't use repeaters because it is so segmented...there are atleast 91 different municipalties in st louis county
 

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muhockey86 said:
I would guess they don't use repeaters because it is so segmented...there are atleast 91 different municipalties in st louis county
Why would that mean no repeater? They need a base station. Add a controller and a diplexer and you have a repeater. Then the dispatcher doesn't have to relay between two portables at opposite ends of the district.
 
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