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Since we don't have an conventional Radio Forum *YET*, I am asking this one here.

What is the best HT, or Mobile for Railroad Radio?

Motorola?
M/A-Com?
Kenwood?

Models, and capabilities?

Disclaimer: I am not a member of any terrorist group with destruction in mind. I am a RailFan, and am possibly about to be employed with CN/IC, and curious.
 

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LOL,, for scanner,,... almost any scanner works for railroad VHF/UHF.... but the future APCO 25 VHF youll need a digital scanner.
 

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milf said:
Since we don't have an conventional Radio Forum *YET*, I am asking this one here.

What is the best HT, or Mobile for Railroad Radio?

Motorola?
M/A-Com?
Kenwood?

Models, and capabilities?

The actual 'best' radio to use is the same thing they are currently using. There are sometimes minor variations between models, and 95% compatibility just doesn't live up to the 100% of using the same make and model as they already have.

As to what they are using, I have no idea.

Joe M.
 

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milf said:
What is the best HT, or Mobile for Railroad Radio?

Motorola?
M/A-Com?
Kenwood?

Models, and capabilities?

Well, do you want all AAR channels or just a handful of "local" channels? It makes sense to have all AAR channels, but that's your choice :D

Portables:

Motorola HT1000 (16 ch)
Motorola MT2000 (160 ch)
Motorola MTS2000 (160 or 255 ch)
Motorola Astro Saber (255 ch, digital)

Kenwood TK290 (160 ch)

Vertex VX-424 (16ch)
Vertex VX-800 (200 ch)
Vertex VX-900 (512 ch)

Bendix King EPH (14 or 210 ch)
Bendix King EPI (210 ch)
Bendix King GPH (240 ch)
Bendix King DPH (400 ch, digital)

Just make sure any of these have a DTMF pad for signalling purposes.

Mobiles:

Motorola Spectra (128 ch)
Motorola MCS2000 (160 or 250 ch)
Motorola MaxTrac 300 (16 or 32 ch)

M/A-Com Orion or M7100 (Variable, between 198 and 1000...this would be a long explaination)

Kenwood TK-780 (250 ch)
Kenwood TK-790 (160 ch)

Vertex VX-4000 (250 ch)
Vertex VX-4200 (501 ch)
Vertex VX-5000 (250 ch)
Vertex VX-6000 (250 ch)

These mobiles all support DTMF in some form (mics or keypad) for signalling.
 

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Look on e-Bay for a Motorola 99 channel VHF MT-1000. You can program in all VHF railroad channels, and you can program it to scan up to eight channels at a time.
 

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Well two questions , is the railroad segment of the band going to go narrowband also ...I guess looking it up on FCC site could answer that or maybe someone here has insight. If not than the radios mentioned such as MT1000, etc , etc will work. If they are than a newer narrowband compliant radio such as the HT1000, MT2000, MTS etc wil work. Also Kenwood TK290 series is nice, some of the vertex stuff. Bendix King also comes to mind ( front face programmable and pretty wide band.) These are some of the more durable and common radios on market. Also what are they currently using ???? Compatability is not a bad thing ie battery charging at work, speaker mikes etc. Years ago (1993) I sold an MX VHF 360 with DTMF and to this day the engineer still has it with him. Basically figure out how many channels, durability, DTMF ? etc. As to best sensitivity I would go with a Saber/ System Saber, especially since a lot of government split Sabers (157-174) are out there. :lol:
 

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As far as I know, RR is not going narroweband in the near future,.. there are not any NEW freqs being added,..digital conversion will take place on the exsisting freqs. The only newer RR stuff is the individual RailCorps adding TRS's along trackage.
 

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milf said:
As far as I know, RR is not going narroweband in the near future,.. there are not any NEW freqs being added,..digital conversion will take place on the exsisting freqs. The only newer RR stuff is the individual RailCorps adding TRS's along trackage.

Anyone know wlat flavour of TRS?
Moneyrola? EDACS? LTR?
 

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The only one that I know for sure was a CSX planned Motorola 3600 ASTRO that was planned, and was planned to be pure digital. I have heard rumors of UP going to an Motorola too, but have not had any confirmation of this. CN's IC division was looking into a UHF TRS, but I have not heard anything else on this yet.. so prolly still in the Research phase.
 

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I too am interested in RailFan listening and have posted a question about narrow-banding, digital, APCO, etc. to Trains magazine. Hopefully they will address it in an upcoming issue in the Ask Trains section.

Here are some web sites I found when trying to get more info:

http://www.aar.com/ttci/whatwedo/communications.htm

http://www.motorola.com/cgiss/railsolutions/rail_narrowband.shtml

http://www.motorola.com/cgiss/docs/rail_brochure.pdf

http://www.motorola.com/cgiss/docs/railroad_radio_brochure.pdf

http://www.motorola.com/cgiss/railsolutions/rail_example.shtml

http://eje.railfan.net/railradioonline/page_frequencies.html#anchor451198

From the Motorola .pdf it looks like the new narrow band channels will be numbered 107-197.

If anyone on the list has more info as to when we can expect narrow-band channels and/or digital it would be appreciated!

Scott
 

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APCO won't be the entity responsible for the spectrum.. The Railroad Radio Service has its own coordinators. Your info on new freqs is much appreciated, last I heard there were not going to go narrowband, so apparently they are adding a few new freqs,.. The original RR freqs will not change with digital conversion. If all conversion takes place as scheduled,.. the RR service will be fully digital capable by 2012.

The only relevancy with APCO, will be that the APCO-25 standard seems to be the standard adopted by all communications entities for digital emplementation.

UPDATE: After calling the CN/IC McComb Dispatch Office, I found out that the new freqs are supposed to indeed be 107-199, and eventually replace the originals, but that will be many years down the road as the old liscenses expire (most of them have recently been renewed and do not expire untill 2014 or later) this will allow time for reprogramming, and seamless integration with the system. The newer freqs will begin usage in 2005 through 2006 on some systems, with CN not expected to begin testing them untill 2006, with slow transitioning from 2008 to 2012. Full switchover should occur soon thereafter and abandonment of old freqs occuring during this time. There is a lot to be done- all current loco radios must be replaced, dispatch terminals replaced, HT's replaced, mobiles in the vehicles replaced, and then training on the new system. This alone is going to cost CN/IC nearly 10 million at lowest estimated cost. All this has to be done not only here, but nationwide for all Rail Corps.
 

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Soo this gives me another reason to ante up for a digital scanner lol, as if I already didn't have eneough. And here is a scary thought: Rail Corps that use M/A-Com radios,.. Provoice........
 

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Don't confuse narrow band with digital and/or APCO P25. Analog radios can be narrow band, as well. Eventually, EVERYONE will be narrow band. I think the last update I saw was that everyone who wasn't Public Safety had to be narrow banded by 2011, with Public Safety being required to narrow band by 2016. Don't hold me to those dates, though. As to the original question: I am unfamiliar with the exact band that the railroads use, but an HT 1000 is probably the best handheld radio made in the last 20 years or so. It will also do narrowband, by channel. If it fits into the band used by the RRs, I would highly suggest one. They are fairly inexpensive (inexpensive being a relative term) on E-Bay.
 

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Railroad Radio is going digital. Narrowband is just the first step to getting radio systems digital ready. It is a fact that ALL radio services are eventually going digital including Aeronautical. Its not the end of the world, just a new era.
 

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Icom IC-F30GT Radio

Getting back to your original question about a radio for working on the railroad, here are some links for an Icom HT radio that you might find interesting (IC-F30GT):

http://www.icomamerica.com/land_mobile/portablevhf/icf30gmain.asp

http://www.icomamerica.com/land_mobile/portablevhf/f3040gts.asp

http://www.icomamerica.com/brochures/ic-f30_f40_gt_gs.pdf

It can be used with an optional AA Alkaline battery pack (BP-208) that is the same as the IC-V8 HT ($17 for the BP-208 @ Universal Radio); has 256 channels in 16 banks, multi character display. narrow and wide band use, PC programmable, etc.

Granted, it does not do digital, but like you said, digital will be a ways down the road.

Hope this helps some.

Scott
 
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