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NXDN Encryption Reject Unencrypted Transmissions?

jackw414

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Hello All,

I am working on moving my radio fleet at work over to NXDN, we have a lot of units that were sold to us by a previous dealer before my time that are NXDN capable and they just were not taking advantage of it (they also mixed some NX-1000s with the DMR upgrade and some Hyteras which are DMR only in there for some reason), needless to say when I demonstrated the differences on a few test units the various sites they are used at were shocked in particular at NXDN 6.25kHz after years of using analog in some complex buildings for radio transmission. In addition I am wanting to take advantage of some of the NXDN features including the basic encryption, while I am working with a new dealer (who is amazing) I have been working on some of the programming and testing myself out of general interest and to become more knowledgeable. I feel bad bothering my dealer with every little question so I try to research around on some of the simpler things. At this point I have my test radio batch (all NX-1300NUK5s) programmed with a test channel (with a frequency that we are licensed for the with appropriate emissions designators of course) that has encryption turned on, when removing the encryption from one unit it does not receive the transmissions from the encrypted units as expected however it can still transmit to the encrypted units and they will receive the transmission.

Is there some feature I am missing that would allow these radios to effectively ignore the transmission or at least alert to an unencrypted transmission that it receives? I experimented with the "Unencrypted Call Alert Tone" option with no luck. My logic is that if an unauthorized user transmits it would be nice to know they are not authorized or not hear them at all, I guess I can see why hearing nothing is perhaps not preferable as that would mean that someone could be transmitting unauthorized and the only time someone would recognize the interference is if they tried to transmit at the same time or watched the screen/status lights constantly on their radio (much like two transmissions on the same frequency but with a different PL), however some sort of alert to let users know a rouge unit is transmitting would be nice.

Not sure if there is any option out there with this in the various flavors of KPG (I am primarily on KPG-D6N and a little bit of KPG-170D) but I would be interested in your thoughts and suggestions.

Thanks,
Jack
 

kd4efm

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As far as a clear alert, no, that's not in the programming. If you run encrypted, radios not part of your "group" would not hear your traffic.
As for the opposite, you will hear them. You can however make it a little harder by using split ran code on the repeater, it would make a person of bad intentions work harder to find the Input ran, but that's not hard to decipher either.


That being said, this is in a conventional radio system use.
Trunking, they wouldn't be able to technically interfere, but not say it won't happen, but , a person can effect a radios reception if they had true I'll will intention of doing so.

I will say this, if your dealer is as good, then you shouldn't have any issues. Good questions you posted, keep asking away.
 
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