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Given the nature of what Sanitation PD does, they operate on boro or supervisor frequencies and are not necessarily "dispatched" to jobs but usually either drive a beat looking for violations and/or do follow up with people who have been issued warnings in the past.

If you are really that interested, this site has unit IDs so you can tell better who is who on the radio.

http://www.n2nov.net/dsny.html

"1-Adam-12 1-Adam-12, see the man littering. 1-Adam-12 handle code 3" Sorry, to each his own, I personally could only listen to DSNY for and hour before I got bored, but that's just me.

Hey does anyone out there know if these guys are Armed? I know Hospital police aren't. I was just wondering in NYC valued garbage more than patients.
 
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Thank You. I had a feeling they were on those, i just haven't listened in a while and I wasn't sure where they were.
 

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"1-Adam-12 1-Adam-12, see the man littering. 1-Adam-12 handle code 3" Sorry, to each his own, I personally could only listen to DSNY for and hour before I got bored, but that's just me..
I just had to comment on that. See I'm a big Adam-12 fan and that just really made my day. They may carry guns, they did when they portrayed them on Barney Miller, even though, it was a comedy show, not depicted 100% on real life.

Speaking of this stuff, what's O.M.D./O.A.U.? and C.P.U./A.S.P.? A.R.T? I'm asking because Google doesn't seem to want to tell me. Also, I find it very interesting that Sanitation has K9 units. See I live in a small city, so we everyone sees "garagemen", but apparently it's way way bigger in NYC. Np phun intended to anyone, just saying how it is.
 
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They are full police officers and as such carry weapons.
 

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It is AMAZING the amount of false information that is put out here.

First of all, Sanitation Police are NOT Police Officers, they are Peace Officers designated as New York City Special Patrolmen, and are NOT armed unless they have a permit issued by the NYC Police Department and are authorized to carry firearms by the agency. The New York State Penal law is as follows:

New York city special patrolmen appointed by the police
commissioner pursuant to subdivision c or e of section 434a-7.0 or
subdivision c or e of section 14-106 of the administrative code of the
city of New York; provided, however, that nothing in this subdivision
shall be deemed to authorize such officer to carry, possess, repair or
dispose of a firearm unless the appropriate license therefor has been
issued pursuant to section 400.00 of the penal law and the employer has
authorized such officer to possess a firearm during any phase of the
officers on-duty employment. Special patrolmen shall have the powers set
forth in section 2.20 of this article only when they are acting pursuant
to their special duties

They are NOT full time Peace Officers, only when acting pursuant to their jobs.

Hospital Police in NYC are also NOT Police Officers, they are Peace Officers deisgnated in the New York State Criminal Procedure Law as follows:

40. Special officers employed by the city of New York or by the New
York city health and hospitals corporation; provided, however, that
nothing in this subdivision shall be deemed to authorize such officer to
carry, possess, repair or dispose of a firearm unless the appropriate
license therefor has been issued pursuant to section 400.00 of the penal
law. The New York city health and hospitals corporation shall employ
peace officers appointed pursuant to this subdivision to perform the
patrol, investigation, and maintenance of the peace duties of special
officer, senior special officer and hospital security officer, provided
however that nothing in this subdivision shall prohibit managerial,
supervisory, or state licensed or certified professional employees of
the corporation from performing such duties where they are incidental to


their usual duties, or shall prohibit police officers employed by the
city of New York from performing these duties.


And AGAIN, they are NOT armed except with a pistol license issued by the NYPD.

The New York State Criminal Procedure Law (CPL) can be found here:

http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/menugetf.cgi?COMMONQUERY=LAWS

There are SOME posts in both agencys that are armed, but MOST Hospital "Police" and Sanitation "Police" are NOT armed.

Please check your sources before posting things here as "facts".
The above citation of the CPL lists all those Peace Officers who are armed full time without a separate permit, and also lists ALL those designated in New York State as "Police Officers".
 

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They are not the special patrolman you are talking about. Those were the guys in the old days with the "cookie" round badges. Generally retired cops working as guards in banks. I don't even know if they are around anymore.

Sanitation police are uniformed armed law enforcement.
In addition the DOS had green uniformed people who issued citations but they are not part of the police department.

It's just like the DEP police who were part of the old Board of Water Supply. The only NYC officers who assigned outside the City of NY and around the state where ever they had property ie: Yonkers near the racetrack, Kensico reservoir in Westchester County. A few are stationed in Sullivan Co. and upstate. They run traffic radar on their property.

The CPL does not list every agency individually. The CPL does give some people power to arrest/cite without allowing them to be armed unless they have a permit such as Bay Constables.
 
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The CPL lists ALL those designates as POLCICE OFFICERS:


34. "Police officer." The following persons are police officers:
(a) A sworn member of the division of state police;
(b) Sheriffs, under-sheriffs and deputy sheriffs of counties outside
of New York City;
(c) A sworn officer of an authorized county or county parkway police
department;
(d) A sworn officer of an authorized police department or force of a
city, town, village or police district;
(e) A sworn officer of an authorized police department of an authority
or a sworn officer of the state regional park police in the office of
parks and recreation;
(f) A sworn officer of the capital police force of the office of
general services;
(g) An investigator employed in the office of a district attorney;
(h) An investigator employed by a commission created by an interstate
compact who is, to a substantial extent, engaged in the enforcement of
the criminal laws of this state;
(i) The chief and deputy fire marshals, the supervising fire marshals
and the fire marshals of the bureau of fire investigation of the New
York City fire department;
(j) A sworn officer of the division of law enforcement in the
department of environmental conservation;
(k) A sworn officer of a police force of a public authority created by
an interstate compact;
(l) Long Island railroad police.
(m) A special investigator employed in the statewide organized crime
task force, while performing his assigned duties pursuant to section
seventy-a of the executive law.
(n) A sworn officer of the Westchester county department of public
safety services who, on or prior to June thirtieth, nineteen hundred
seventy-nine was appointed as a sworn officer of the division of
Westchester county parkway police or who was appointed on or after July
first, nineteen hundred seventy-nine to the title of police officer,
sergeant, lieutenant, captain or inspector or who, on or prior to
January thirty-first, nineteen hundred eighty-three, was appointed as a
Westchester county deputy sheriff.


(o) A sworn officer of the water-supply police employed by the city of
New York, appointed to protect the sources, works, and transmission of
water supplied to the city of New York, and to protect persons on or in
the vicinity of such water sources, works, and transmission.
(p) Persons appointed as railroad policemen pursuant to section
eighty-eight of the railroad law.
(q) An employee of the department of taxation and finance (i) assigned
to enforcement of the taxes imposed under or pursuant to the authority
of article twelve-A of the tax law and administered by the commissioner
of taxation and finance, taxes imposed under or pursuant to the
authority of article eighteen of the tax law and administered by the
commissioner, taxes imposed under article twenty of the tax law, or
sales or compensating use taxes relating to automotive fuel or
cigarettes imposed under article twenty-eight or pursuant to the
authority of article twenty-nine of the tax law and administered by the
commissioner or (ii) designated as a revenue crimes specialist and
assigned to the enforcement of the taxes described in paragraph (c) of
subdivision four of section 2.10 of this title, for the purpose of
applying for and executing search warrants under article six hundred
ninety of this chapter, for the purpose of acting as a claiming agent
under article thirteen-A of the civil practice law and rules in
connection with the enforcement of the taxes referred to above and for
the purpose of executing warrants of arrest relating to the respective
crimes specified in subdivision four of section 2.10 of this title.
(r) Any employee of the Suffolk county department of parks who is
appointed as a Suffolk county park police officer.
(s) A university police officer appointed by the state university
pursuant to paragraph 1 of subdivision two of section three hundred
fifty-five of the education law.
(t) A sworn officer of the department of public safety of the Buffalo
municipal housing authority who has achieved or been granted the status
of sworn police officer and has been certified by the division of
criminal justice services as successfully completing an approved basic
course for police officers.
(u) Persons appointed as Indian police officers pursuant to section
one hundred fourteen of the Indian law.
(v) Supervisor of forest ranger services; assistant supervisor of
forest ranger services; forest ranger 3; forest ranger 2; forest ranger
1 employed by the state department of environmental conservation or
sworn officer of the division of forest protection and fire management
in the department of environmental conservation responsible for wild
land search and rescue, wild land fire management in the state as
prescribed in subdivision eighteen of section 9-0105 and title eleven of
article nine of the environmental conservation law, exercising care,
custody and control of state lands administered by the department of
environmental conservation.


ONLY THOSE LISTED ABOVE ARE POLICE OFFICERS. WHEN YOU LOCATE SANITATION POLICE, LET ME KNOW.

ONLY THOSE LISTED IN CPL 1.20 ARE PEACE OFFICERS. WHEN YOU LOCATE SANITATION POLICE IN THERE LET ME KNOW.

They are NYC Special Patrolmen, as listed above.

Beyond citing the law, there is nothing more to say. you can not be a Police Officer in New York State if you are not listed in the section above.


They are not the special patrolman you are talking about. Those were the guys in the old days with the "cookie" round badges. Generally retired cops working as guards in banks. I don't even know if they are around anymore.


Once again totally wrong. NYC can disignate anyone they choose as a Special Patrolman. They do so all the time. They include Co-Op City "police", the Store Merchants Protective Association Offiers (SMPA), they process all the arrests for the large retail stores like Macy's, and NUMEROUS other groups that exist and function at this time. They are NOT retired cops, these are full time jobs.

Here are a few more, just do a Google search:

NYC Urban Park Service Search & Rescue
Members are NYC Parks Enforcement Police Officers/Urban Park Rangers-NYS Peace Officers deputized by NYC Police Dept (Special Patrolman), trained in Rope Rescue,Ice Rescue & Shore/Boat-based Water Rescue. Cover all NYC parkland & natural areas. Provided assistance to areas outside NYC (New Jersey, & Upstate New York). We have volunteers on staff. Unit is on-call 24-hours/7-days. SAR team activated through NYC Parks Police Dispatch Center at: (646) 613-1200. Available for All types of Searches, Rescues, Fires, & Medical response. We also provide "Event" coverage. Go to our website for more info


School Safety Agents provide security and ensure the safety of students, faculty and visitors in New York City Public School buildings and surrounding premises. This position may entail the following duties:
Performing patrol within school buildings and on surrounding premises.
Operating stationary and/or hand held scanning equipment.
Verifying identity of visitors to school buildings and escorting them to appropriate offices.
Challenging unauthorized personnel and removing them from premises.
Intervening in verbal or physical altercations between students.
Confiscating weapons and other contraband from students.
Effecting arrests and completion of related forms.
Transporting juveniles or other detainees to appropriate booking facilities when necessary.



Employment Requirements



Candidates must be at least 21 years of age at time of appointment.
Candidates must have a High School Diploma or GED.
Candidates must be a United States Citizen.
Candidates must reside in one of the five boroughs of New York City.
Candidates must pass a drug screening.
Candidates must pass a character and background investigation.
Candidates must meet certain medical and psychological requirements.
Candidates must be eligible to obtain NYC Special Patrolman status upon appointment and become certified as a NYC Special Patrolman within three (3) months of appointment. Special Patrolman certification must be maintained for the duration of employment in this title.
Candidates must pay a $75.00 fee for fingerprinting as part of the investigation


Oh, did I mention NYC taxi and limosine inspector:

http://www.nyc.gov/html/tlc/downloads/pdf/inspector_vacancies.pdf

Please, only those specifically listed as Police Officers are such. ONLY those listed as Peace Officers in CPL 1.20 are such. All those other uniformed enforcement jobs in NYC "may" be Peace Officers, as the City has the power to designate Special Patrolmen as per the CPL that I posted above. That's it, end of debate.
 

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And of course there is this, but then you know better than everyone else:

New York City
New York City Police Department
New York City Sheriff's Office (peace officers)
New York City Marshals (peace officers)
New York City Department of Environmental Protection Police (peace officers)
New York City Department of Sanitation Police (peace officers)
New York City Department of Health and Hospitals Police (peace officers)
New York City Parks Enforcement Patrol (peace officers)
New York City Taxi and Limousine Commission Inspectors (peace officers)
New York City Department of Investigation
New York City Department of City Administrative Services Police (peace officers)
New York City Department of Correction (peace officers)
New York City Department of Human Resource Services Police (peace officers)
New York City Department of Homeless Services Police (peace officers)
City University of New York Public Safety Department (peace officers)
New York Public Safety(private police force for the Big Six Towers housing community)(peace officers)
Co-Op City Police Department (private police force for Bronx housing project)(peace officers)
Roosevelt Island Department of Public Safety (private police force for Roosevelt Island Development Corps owned housing projects)(peace officers)
Seagate Police Department (private police force for Brooklyn/Coney Island community)(peace officers)
Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority officers (peace officers)
Port Authority of New York and New Jersey Police Deparment (police officers)
American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Law Enforcement officers (peace officers)
New York Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children Law Enforcement officers (peace officers)
The New York City Transit Police and the New York City Housing Authority Police were merged into the NYPD in 1995, the Brooklyn Police Department and the Long Island City Police Department in 1898 and the Town of Morrisania Police Department in 1879.

Each of the five counties of New York City — New York (Manhattan), Bronx, Richmond (Staten Island), Kings (Brooklyn) and Queens — had a county sheriff's department. In 1942 they were merged together to form the New York City Sheriff's Office. In 1939 the corrections part of the individual county sheriff's office's became the separate New York City Department of Correction.
 

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I STAND CORRECTED. THEY ARE NAMED PEACE OFFICERS AS BELOW, NOT NYC SPECIAL PATROLMEN, HOWEVER THEY ARE PEACE OFFICERS, NOT POLICE, AND ARMED ONLY WITH A PERMIT ISSUED BY NYPD.

59. Officers and members of the sanitation police of the department of
sanitation of the city of New York, duly appointed and designated as
peace officers by such department; provided, however, that nothing in
this subdivision shall be deemed to authorize such officer to carry,
possess, repair or dispose of a firearm unless the appropriate license
therefor has been issued pursuant to section 400.00 of the penal law.
Provided, further, that nothing in this subdivision shall be deemed to
apply to officers and members of the sanitation police regularly and
exclusively assigned to enforcement of such city's residential recycling
laws.
 

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SCOSGT,


It seems that you are one of those guys that has a "complex" with whos sword is bigger.

Simply stated, most of the above listed "Peace Officers" are performing a "Police Functions", such as TLC Inspectors, DSNY Officers, School and Hospital Security. This is why the term police is used. It is a universally understood and recognized term. When you are being order to stop by a law enforcement officer does he or she need to yell, Stop, Department of Sanitation Peace officer. Or would the easier, more identifiable term be , Stop, Police.

When you now the history of the CPL, and its respective legislation of splitting peace and police officers this really dillutes the issue. It was simply done to cover training requirements and jurisdictional issues that were arising at that time.

Technically speaking all police officers are peace officers, Theyt are just simply employeed by a police agency.

When further analyzed, the powers of a peace officer and police officer are very similar, and do not vary much at all.

For example, The ability to arrest for a violation outside your GAOE, the ability to serve and criminal arrest warrant, and the pure "Stop and Frisk." Thats it in a nut shell.

So Please remeber, Everyone in law enforcement is there for one thing, to protect the public and make the world a little better for everyone. Don't detract from someones job over a BS name squabble.
 

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Uh, as a LEO of almost 30 years full time experience, I am not knocking anyones job. Just setting the record straight, the one poster said that Sanitation Police "They are full police officers and as such carry weapons."

That is simply an incorrect statement and needed correction. I am well aware of the differences between Police and Peace Officers in New York State.
 

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Ok, It just bugs me when sometimes we get caught up in the bs. Anyone that wears a shield and perfomrs and LEO function deserves enough credit for dealing with the crap thats out there. Just as a side note, While peace officers carry on their permit issued by the local license office, peace officers are unrestricted for off duty carry, thus they can not be charged with possesion against license restrictions, such as target, premis, business. etc. The only time you see peace officers not carrying on duty is because of the jackass restrictions of their respective agency.

I am quit certain that if you a peace officer, you should be armed on duty. Period. Just my 2cents
 

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Again, not correct info. Peace Officers who are carrying on a permit are totally dependant on permission from their Agency for off duty carry - that is to say, the Sanitation Department can tell them to leave the gun at work, if they so choose.

The classes of Peace Officers who do not require a permit do have unrestricted carry - HOWEVER - the AGENCY HEAD can STILL tell them to leave the gun at work. If you read the case law, the agency head has absolute discretion over weapons - there is even a case of a Police Chief in upstate New York who did not allow the POLICE to carry off duty, and he was upheld in Court. The case is reported in McKinneys.

So in the case of Peace Officers who need a permit, the agency has to obtain the permit for them, in the case of no permit Officers, the Agency still has to register them with the Bureau of Municipal Police, and in either case, the guns can be pulled at any time in the discretion of the Agency.

Now did you know that NYC Probation Officers, who are named Peace Officers who do not need a permit, are PROHIBITED from carrying firearms by the Dept of Probation? In fact, there are few Probation Officers who are assigned to the warrant (apprehension) squad, and they do carry, All others do not. How does that grab you?
 

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OK, yes, the unrestricted Peace Officers can not be charged with any Penal Law crime for violation of their license. The licensed Peace Officers fall into something of a grey area, as they do require a license, and there fore must abide by any terms or restrictions on that license. If you read the sections of law that I posted above, their ONLY ability to possess firearms is based on their permit, so in some regard they become more or less like any other licensed individual, with a business type carry permit. Which can be restricted at the discretion of the Police Commissioner, as well as their own agency head.
 

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Again, reading the CPL does not tell you everything. They are Law enforcement. They are authorized by the City of NY administrative code to carry weapons. The CPL says an authorized agency. Well the city has the authority to authorize.
There are numerous bay constables in NYS that are peace officers but not authorized to carry weapons unless issued a permit. Harbor Masters can carry without a permit.

And now back to the frequency.
 

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The law makes no distinction between the terminology in the CPL regarding permit/no permit. All peace officer legislation now includes that as a standard "canned" text.

As far as DOC, that is very strange. It is ones constitutional ability to bear arms, I gues they have to abide by what they signed up for. Still very strange. I see that being a very interesting court battle. How could your agency restrict you from getting a license. I could see them making you surrender your permit and obtain firearms on their c-form, then they can I guess regulate you. Strange.
 

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As long as people keep their emotions in check, this can become quite an interesting discussion. There are obvioulsy legal uses of the word "Police" vs. the use of the word "Police" as in Sanitation Police, Hospital Police etc. etc. and the use of the word Police in someones title does not mean that they have "Full Police Powers" in the legal sense, nor does the lack of the word "Police" in someone's title mean that they do not have "Full Police Powers" such as Forest Ranger.

Then you have the Feds who thrown their own LEO's into the mix such as Park Ranger's who have "Full Police Powers" within Park Juristdiction, may "carry firearms" off duty IF their park approves it, but off duty and off park land they may or may not even have peace officer status depending on what the state's laws permit. (I have been told they may still carry a firearm if permitted by their park, but they have no more authority then a civilian with a CCW permit.)

All Coast Guard Petty Officers and Commisioned Officers are considered "Federal Law Enforcement Officer's" but there authority to carry firearms, make arrests and such are very very restricted and are more a function of the assignment they are given at the time and less function of who they are. Example, a boarding officer on duty, on patrol vs. the same person walking home from duty.

Military Police have what is called authority, but not juristdiction over civilians. This was explained to me that they can give you a ticket and arrest you (authority) but must turn you over to civilian law enforement and courts as they lack jusristdiction.

I had read that tribal police only have juristdiction over cases where both victim and perpetration are members of the tribe, but unless the state (or county in some cases) explicitly grants them authority they can only hold non-tribal members for appropriate civilian authority. Based on what was written above it appears that NYS may grant this authority to NYS tribal police, but I may have read that wrong.

Interesting that Railroad police are police offcers, but TBTA are "peace officers". That must go way back to the early days of the railroad.

Like I said, it is very interesting to learn where all the various law enforcement agencies authority and juristdiction come from, let's just keep the conversation civil and in the spirit of learning.
 
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