NYCOMCO ECACS Orange County...

[APX8000]

I've listed the talkgroups used by agencies in Orange County on NYCOMCO's EDACS system. This list was complied from my own personal knowledge as well as various databases including the old fordyce.org, NF2G.com, the RR database, etc. I would like to update all the talkgroups and list new ones not on the list as well as confirm some. Please go through the list and make changes as appropriate.

04-021 Orange County Sheriff Patrol
04-022 Orange County E-911 Polling
04-023 Orange County Police Intersystem
04-024 Orange County Emergency (Emergency button activation for all agencies dispatched by Central as well as NYSP)
04-025 Orange County Sheriff Investigators
04-026 Orange County Sheriff Administrative
04-027 Orange County Sheriff Tactical
04-030 Orange County Sheriff DTF 1
04-031 Orange County Sheriff DTF 2
04-032 Orange County Sheriff Emergency
04-036 Orange County Emergency Services
04-037 Orange County Police 800 (Central Main Dispatch)
04-043 Town of Mount Hope Police Tac
04-044 Village of Montgomery Police Tac
04-045 Village of Maybrook Police Tac
04-046 Village of Chester Police Villagewide (used by PD as Tac)
04-047 Village of Chester Police unknown - please list use
04-050 Village of Chester Police Town-Village Link (Town of Chester had tested the EDACS system on the Sam's Point tower but decided the coverage was not acceptable. This was apparently a TG setup for Town and Village Interops)
04-052 Town of Blooming Grove Police Patrol - abandoned the system and now utilize a VHF repeater as well as OC VHF MRD - does they still have 800 radios ?? Any other talkgroups ?
04-054 New York State Parole Newburgh Division
04-055 Village of Walden Police
04-057 800 MRD Newburgh (Town and City of Newburgh, New Windsor, Town and Village of Cornwall, NYS Parole and NYSP heard using...any others have access?)
04-061 Town of Crawford Police Patrol - abandoned the system are are on UHF...do they still have 800 equipment ?
04-062 Town of Crawford Local Gov't Townwide
04-063 Town of Crawford Local Gov't DPW
*** Need confirmation on all Town of Highlands and Village of HF talkgroups..are there TAC's, Car-Car, Town/Village Link, etc)***
04-064 Town of Highlands/Village of Highland Falls Police (Possibly TH Patrol)
04-065 Town of Highlands/Village of Highland Falls Police (Possibly HF Patrol)
04-066 Town of Highlands/Village of Highland Falls Police
04-067 Town of Highlands/Village of Highland Falls Police
04-070 Town of Highlands/Village of Highland Falls Police (Possibly HF PD Tac 1)
04-075 Goodwill Fire Police - please confirm
04-081 Town of Montgomery Police PD HQ
04-082 Town of Montgomery Police PD TAC
04-083 Town of Newburgh Police Patrol
04-084 Town of Newburgh Police Emergency
04-085 Town of Newburgh Police TAC 1
04-086 Town of Newburgh Police TAC 2
04-087 Town of Newburgh Police Administrative
04-090 Town of Newburgh Police Detective 1
04-091 Town of Newburgh Police Detective 2
04-092 Town of Newburgh Local Gov't Townwide
04-093 Town of Montgomery Police Townwide
04-094 Village of Monroe Police Patrol
04-095 Village of Monroe Police Tac
04-096 Village of Monroe/Village of Harriman Police Patrol
04-097 Village of Monroe Police Village
04-101 Town of New Windsor Police Patrol
04-102 Town of New Windsor Police Emergency
04-103 Town of New Windsor Police TAC 1
04-104 Town of New Windsor Police TAC 2
04-105 Town of New Windsor Police Administrative
04-106 Town of New Windsor Police Detective 1
04-107 Town of New Windsor Police Detective 2
04-110 Town of New Windsor Police Town
04-111 Town of Woodbury/Village of Harriman Police Patrol
04-112 Town of Woodbury Police Tactical
04-113 Monroe/Woodbury/Harriman Police (MW GROUP)
04-114 Monroe/Woodbury/Harriman Police (MW EMERG)
04-115 Village of Harriman Police Tactical
04-116 Orange County District Attorney Investigators
04-117 Possible Tac used by Orange County District Attorney Investigators - please confirm
04-121 City of Newburgh Police Dispatch
04-122 City of Newburgh Police Emergency
04-123 City of Newburgh Police Detective 1
04-124 City of Newburgh Police Detective 2 (AEGIS digital?) - please confirm
04-125 City of Newburgh Police Administrative
04-126 City of Newburgh Police TAC 1
04-127 City of Newburgh Police TAC 2
04-130 Goodwill Fire Fire District - please confirm
04-131 Town of Newburgh FD link to PD
04-132 Goodwill Fire Operations
04-133 Goodwill Fire Fireground ?
04-134 Goodwill Fire Fireground ?
04-135 Goodwill Fire Officers
04-136 Hudson Valley Protective Services (aka Command Security) (Where are they?)
04-137 Developmental Associates link to Woodbury PD (Where are they? What is this for?)
04-141 Middle Hope Fire Operations
04-142 Middle Hope Fire Fireground ?
04-143 Middle Hope Fire Fireground ?
04-144 Town of Cornwall Police Patrol
04-145 Town of Cornwall Police Emergency
04-146 Town of Cornwall Police Tac 1
04-147 Town of Cornwall Police Admin
04-150 Town of Cornwall/Village of Cornwall-on-Hudson PD (Base 4)
04-151 Village of Cornwall-on-Hudson Villagewide
04-152 Village of Cornwall-on-Hudson Police V-PD Tac
04-153 Village of Cornwall-on-Hudson Police Administrative
04-154 Village of Cornwall-on-Hudson DPW
04-155 Village of Cornwall-on-Hudson Water
04-156 Town of Cornwall EMS COVAC
04-157 Orange County Fire 36 Control - link for Goodwill & Middlehope, possibly Fort Montgomery and Highland Falls also if anyone can confirm and list other possible users

 

[SCANdal]

E,

Crawford does not have NYComCo 800 MHz equipment any longer, in the field or at their base. VHF-high band and UHF only.

Hudson Valley Protective Services uses their talkgroup, off the Arden tower, for security patrols at Woodbury Centre.

Your observations re: FMFD and HFFD using Fire 800 (04-157) strongly suggests that each of those departments probably have their own individual talkgroups on the system as well. Any one hearing any operational, fire police, command, or fireground activity from Fort Montgomery and / or Highland Falls FDs?

SCANdal

 

[APX8000]

Wanted to update the thread...does anyone have any updates, corrections, etc.

 

[SCANdal]

e911,

Regarding your notes attached to 04-050: Town of Chester Police has found the Arden tower to provide decent coverage. You'll hear their units using Police 800 (04-037) off of that tower when VHF MRD (their regular channel) is busy/inaccessible.

04-062: Also apparently abandoned
04-063: Also apparently abandoned

04-075 is used by GWFD's Fire Police.

04-094 abandoned
04-095 abandoned
04-096 abandoned
04-097 abandoned

04-136 abandoned

SCANdal

 

[APX8000]

SCANdal...

What did Crawford local gov't switch to from EDACS? I haven't heard them on the PD's LTR system.

04-094 through 04-097...I know Monroe PD still has 800 equipment in the cars and console. They use it to monitor Woodbury and Harriman and I've heard them on the MW GROUP 04-113 talkgroup talking to Woodbury a few months ago. Although their TG's seem to be abandoned, do they still have access to the talkgroups or did they take them out of the mobiles since their VHF stuff on Bald Hill provides them with better portable coverage?

Thanks for the confim on 04-075.

I still haven't been able to confirm the Town of Highland and Highland Falls stuff. I hear HF on 04-065 chit chatting every so often but nothing from Town of Highlands or any of the FD's.

 

[SCANdal]

>What did Crawford local gov't switch to from EDACS? I haven't heard them on the PD's LTR system.

I was told they moved to the LTR system. I guess I was told wrong.


> 04-094 through 04-097...I know Monroe PD still has 800 equipment in the cars and console.

The console is the only user I've heard on the TRS (specifically on the MW group). I wasn't aware that the cars still had 800 MHz capabilty.

SCANdal

 

[kevin390]

I have the Town of Crawford programmed in my pro-2055 and pro-528 in LTR mode. The ID thats pops up is 0-01-111 I hear the PD and sometimes the DPW. Also I hear Orange County 911 with an ID of 0-01-115. Yesterday I heard some talk with the ID of 0-01-116. I didn't hear enough to say what it was, but it sounded like some kind of public saftey. I also hear talk on ID 1-01-113. This with just the one frequency of 453.8125. I had this frequency programmed in conventional mode and while I did hear the Police I also heard that clicking sound that drove me nuts. On a side-note I did the same for the Town of Shawangunk. I programmed their frequency of 453.7375 in LTR mode and hear the police with an ID of- 1-01-110. I am going to lsten to those two systems today and I will post what I come up with.........Ray

 

[kevin390]

For the Town of Crawford-453.8125- I can confirm these LTR ID's-

A-0-01-111--Police and DPW's
B-0-01-115--Crawfords link to Orange County-911
C-0-01-116--Crawfords link to State Police Base-(155.535). Ray

 

[APX8000]

SCANdal...it looks like you were right on Crawford DPW on the LTR system (thanks kevin390). I do find it strange that they share the same TG with the PD. They created separate TG's for 911 polling and SP. Why not create one specific for DPW and one Townwide like they had on the EDACS system? Then again, we are talking about NYCOMCO and their one channel LTR systems.

Kevin390...any word on that 0-01-113 TG ?

SCANdal...I'll make a phone call and confirm if Monroe still has those TG's in the mobiles or not.

 

[kevin390]

I been listening to Crawfords's 453.8125 and on ID 0-01-113 was their DPW"s. They were talking about doing some minor road work on a street I know. Last week they were sharing ID's with the police, but they did this a few years back when they shared a conventional frequency for a while and then the DPW's got their own. The funny thing is I also listen to the Town of Shawangunk's 453.7375 and the only ID that comes up is 0-01-110 which is their police.............Ray

 

[SCANdal]

Too bad we haven't had any snow to light these channels up for us...

Kev,

Is is possible that Shawangunk public works took over the old conventional police repeater (453.225R, 136.5)? I also see that 460./465.025 is licensed to the Town under call sign WNKD311. Could that be where they are?

SCANdal

 

[kevin390]

SCANdal I will program them in and see which way the wind blows..Ray

 

[kevin390]

Well it's been about a week since I programed 453.225 and 460.025 into my scanner and here is what I came up with. 460.025 all that I heard was a loud clicking sound. I took a long shot and try to program it in LTR mode. Not a thing. 460.025 is the old Town of Shawangunk PD frequency before they went to a trunk system. Now for 453.225. The other day I heard some talk about getting some gravel and going to river road and dumping it. Today I heard them say something about sanding some back road. It was early and I didn't hear everything. I am taking it that it's Shawanguks DPW. With the weather we have had so far this winter you don't hear much highway stuff. I try and get the local DPW's for my area so if we do get bad weather I know how the roads are ,...Ray

 

[comcen]

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I don't seem to be receiving too much, and am looking for others who live in the area and have set up their systems.

Currently I made four, one for each local tower and their respective frequencies.

Also, what kind of range should I expect to find from each tower?

 

[APX8000]

You'll probably hear the most action on the Beacon tower as it is used by several eastern Orange County PD's as their primary system. Each tower has decent coverage for the areas they serve. Beacon will cover Newburgh, New Windsor, Montgomery, Cornwall and surrounding areas. If you are located in Woodbury or Monroe though, you would have a hard time hearing the tower because it is blocked by Schunnemunk mountain.

Without knowing where you are located, I really couldn't give you a better answer.

 

[Coastie127]

I don't seem to be receiving too much, and am looking for others who live in the area and have set up their systems.

Currently I made four, one for each local tower and their respective frequencies.

Also, what kind of range should I expect to find from each tower?

Where are you from, it really depends, but though the EDAC System from NYCOMCO sucks, they can never do anything right. Sucks how the county has a very long contract with them. Why do you think alot of PD's have been going back to VHF or UHF because the 800 System the county has is not reliable.






Also if i am correct 453.225 mhz is also used by Maybrook FD as an Operation channel and i think the DPW uses it but on a different pl. i'll have to find out that.

 

[comcen]

In the shadows of mountains...

Yeah, NYCOMCO was lousy when I worked for an agency that had them providing service.

I'm in Northern Orange, close to Ulster & Sullivan. I've been able to lock on to Crawford's LTR, but Walden's ID in the trunk system hasn't been too forthcoming, nor has the Sheriff's Dept..

 

[APX8000]

Don;t even get me started on NYCOMCO. The Beacon system went down last week followed by the Arden system a few days later. I was told it was because of a lightning strike at Beacon, but who knows. The funny thing is there is no failsoft repeater set up in the event the system goes down. So either your forced to use "DIRECT" on a 15 watt mobile or 3 watt portable and share it with every user on the system or switch back to the old reliable VHF and have no protable radio.

If you are in Northern Orange, the Sam's Point/Ellenville tower may work for you. Crawford used to use that tower before the switch to UHF LTR, and used Beacon as the back-up. Beacon is a bit spotty up in Crawford. But, you won't hear Walden or the SO on that tower as their talkgroup is not activated on it. For the SO, you may have some luck with Graham over your way. The only PD user on Graham besides the SO and SP is Mount Hope PD. On Sams Point, the only Orange County PD I know of that uses it is Chester and only as a BS tac.

 

[ChrisMorrison]

Northern Orange and EDACS meets Abbot & Costello.

I used to live in Middletown, now in Pine Bush, Ulsterville Road. I am in Ulster County, about a mile from Orange, and Sullivan just a few miles down Burlingham Road. I listen to the 911, fire, and EMS from all of these, plus Walden (956, 156.150), Middletown (619, 155.730), and Wallkill (404, 460.350). Also Mobile Life (412, 144.385), Statflight, air guard (121.500). I listen to most of the secondary fire channels, but a lot of the firegound where I used to live is on local UHF repeaters now. Mechanicstown always came in loud and clear in Scotchtown, but Silver Lake was weak and scratchy. I used to hear Beacon trunks loud and clear from Middletown and from Cox Road in Bloomingburg if the antenna was decent. About ten years ago, Walden 956 did not have a repeater, and they used their 800's when they didn't want to be overheard. This was somewhat ironic, because with the trunks I could hear everything from Middletown and with 956 I could only hear the base most of the time.

I sold off my good scanners, but when I moved up hear I found one of those old 1,000-channel Radio Shack numbers and plugged it in. It has the military air band but no PL/DPL. I can hear Ulster 911 (County, 155.025) from all the towers but can't hear the Sheriff dispatch which used to be on 155.670 at all. I went through the channels you recommended for the local Shawangunk police traffic (I remember it did used to be 460.025) and didn't get anything but the clicks you mentioned. Right now I have 453.7375 programmed but haven't heard much yet. I did hear some digital stuff may on that frequency. Could it maybe be used for digital pagers? Most of the police calls seem to be on County these days in Ulster. I do know that sheriff deputies sometimes run the desk at Shawangunk PD headquarters, so could they have taken their routine calls to UCSO's channel, and anyway why don't I hear them at all? They couldn't have gone trunked because they couldn't get through from most of the rural parts of the county, could they? Now with 453.8125 I also hear state police base to car transmissions and Orange 911 transmissions, and splatter from 36 control. To get away from the latter I mostly programme 458.8125 and can hear most of the transmissions there. The state police still come in on the old vhf channels 1 to 3, but I can't vouch for channels 4 and 5. They also are on all the 911 polling channels.

Does anybody have any hints or comments on these? I am thinking of getting a couple of those new scanners (one handheld, one desktop) that you can use for the new digital trunk systems I was being told are being introduced across the Hudson, but I also hear that the newer systems Homeland Insecurity is pushing are designed so that they can't be monitored. Of course I have some sympathy because if I had their track record I wouldn't want anybody listening in either! But I do like to listen because when the local paper doesn't print anything much that happens you have to listen in for yourself.

Chris

 

[SCANdal]

Sounds like more false gossip floating around.

Chris,

You'd be spending an awful lot of money for P25 digital capable scanners all to monitor just two systems in Orange, the Military Academy (trunked) and the Delaware Water Gap National Recreation Area (conventional).

My recommendations... for a portable scanner: RadioShack's PRO-97. The base/mobile version is the PRO-2055. The highlights of the two scanners are a) triple trunk tracking (to do the EDACS and LTR systems), b) decode capability for PLs and DPLs, and c) the same software can program both scanners. Search www.radioshack.com for details on the two models. The PRO-97 is currently on sale; you could get both models new for less then the price of one typical used digital scanner.

What "newer systems" are you hearing that Homeland Security is "pushing" that "can't be monitored?"

SCANdal