NYPD Encryption Update

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From a spring 2017 article about NYPD

“We currently have one city-wide repeated frequency, two point to point frequencies and just acquired a third point to point encrypted frequency.”

Obviously the repeated freq is SOD Citywide (470.8375) and I presume the two simplex frequencies are Tac G (473.6875) and Tac H (473.7125), but what is the encrypted simplex freq? Is it one of their few P-25E frequencies?
 

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From a spring 2017 article about NYPD

“We currently have one city-wide repeated frequency, two point to point frequencies and just acquired a third point to point encrypted frequency.”

Obviously the repeated freq is SOD Citywide (470.8375) and I presume the two simplex frequencies are Tac G (473.6875) and Tac H (473.7125), but what is the encrypted simplex freq? Is it one of their few P-25E frequencies?
Citywide 4 has the ability to go p25 encrypted, internal affairs, OCCB, narcotics, etc...
 

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Encrypted NYPD repeaters for years are:

CW-4 Combined Operations (P25 Encr.) (Zone 46) 470.8875/NAC EF0
DET VIP VIP Escort/Detective/Intel. Div. (P25 Encr.) (Zone 43) 470.6375/NAC EF1
IAB Internal Affairs Bureau (P25 Encr.) (Zone 45) 470.7625/NAC EF2
OCCB-2 Organized Crime (P25 Encr.) (Zone 45) 471.0125/NAC EF3
PC Command (P25 Encr.) 471.1375/NAC EF4

The simplex/point-to-point channels might be in the TAC J through TAC T range.
 

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Encrypted NYPD repeaters for years are:

CW-4 Combined Operations (P25 Encr.) (Zone 46) 470.8875/NAC EF0
DET VIP VIP Escort/Detective/Intel. Div. (P25 Encr.) (Zone 43) 470.6375/NAC EF1
IAB Internal Affairs Bureau (P25 Encr.) (Zone 45) 470.7625/NAC EF2
OCCB-2 Organized Crime (P25 Encr.) (Zone 45) 471.0125/NAC EF3
PC Command (P25 Encr.) 471.1375/NAC EF4

The simplex/point-to-point channels might be in the TAC J through TAC T range.
Copy that, thanks. The article wasn't referring to any of those frequencies because those are repeated. Have you ever heard encryption on the Tac simplex frequencies? Is it even possible to encrypt an analog simplex freq?

Also, what freq does ATT use when doing pre-planned operations? Same question for other pre-planned coverage events like the upcoming Thanksgiving parade. Does ESU use the standard (repeated) freq assigned to the event? Do they use Tac G? Also, are the hundreds of officers on scene on the same citywide event frequency or do they use a Tac frequency and keep the repeated frequency open for supervisors?
 
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After reading that very very lengthy news article whining about the E word, it seems to me that the NYPD is in the process of switching to a P25 system with the option to encrypt when necessary, not fulltime encryption. This would be a good thing, since there are criminals who use scanners to avoid capture, although I guess they wouldn't care much these days since they know they'll be released to victimize more innocent people before the arresting officer(s) even finish his/her report. Do I think the public has a right to hear police comms? Well - yes and no - there are exceptions. I think it's beneficial sometimes for the public to know if someone tried to open their car door in front of their house, or if some kid is running from the police in your neighborhood after threatening his dad with a knife - both of which I've had happen, and when I saw that kid after the officers were unable to find him, I called them and they found him at the school just up the street. So, yes, I think open radio transmissions can be a good thing, but that's not always true. Al Sharpton said that people need to know what officers are doing, but if someone doesn't know in the slightest, anything about how the police operate, then simply listening to their radio traffic all day won't really tell you what they're doing. And he's always one of the first ones to complain and criticize how the police do their job, but he wouldn't have the guts to go on a ride-along much less do the job himself. If he tried to do that job the way he wants them to, he would end up getting himself killed within a year or so if not less. Even if the NYPD will use full encryption all the time, then I don't blame them considering all the riots and negative attitude and highest record of officers shot or shot at this year. When you have a city or a county full of people who criticize without having any of the facts, or respond to the scene of an accident or a shooting and put themselves in a dangerous situation or take pictures of the scene and put them on Facebook, and in a place like New York where the concern of being ambushed by some idiot just because of their hate for anyone willing to risk their life for people they don't even know is valid and legitimate, then a place like that does not have a right to eavesdrop on their radio traffic, because all they're gonna do is abuse that ability. My reasoning behind this is that people have a right to be safe without being afraid that a crime might happen to them or a loved one or friend, neighbor, etc. and if people can help make their neighborhoods safer by letting police know when they see someone they were looking for, then let them hear it, but if that will only do the opposite, then don't. It's as simple as that.
 

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Nope, They are confirmed to be going 100% all the time encryption as they upgrade channels
Our department was notified 3 years ago when our new system was being built to make sure we get AES in our new radios as the NYPD channels would need it
Our radio shop and NYPDs works close together and they have been told many times its going to be AES all the time with OTAR
There was talk about streaming with a 60 min delay, so I hope that is still on the table.
No one whos not assigned a radio on the system has the need to listen live, just the want to listen
 

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Nope, They are confirmed to be going 100% all the time encryption as they upgrade channels
Our department was notified 3 years ago when our new system was being built to make sure we get AES in our new radios as the NYPD channels would need it
Our radio shop and NYPDs works close together and they have been told many times its going to be AES all the time with OTAR
There was talk about streaming with a 60 min delay, so I hope that is still on the table.
No one whos not assigned a radio on the system has the need to listen live, just the want to listen
Are they getting a trunked P-25 system or are they just converting their analog freqs to P-25? I think I’m referring to conventional vs. trunked P-25.
 
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Are they getting a trunked P-25 system or are they just converting their analog freqs to P-25? I think I’m referring to conventional vs. trunked P-25.
They will be using the same frequencies but using p25 encryption. (They will possibly add some new additional frequencies). This will not be any kind of trunking system.
 
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They will be using the same frequencies but using p25 encryption. (They will possibly add some new additional frequencies). This will not be any kind of trunking system.
A trunked system would probably be a better idea I think, because of the extra safety features for emergencies and all. I think I saw in the database that the SDNY is on a trunked system.
 

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A trunked system would probably be a better idea I think, because of the extra safety features for emergencies and all. I think I saw in the database that the SDNY is on a trunked system.
The city of New York maintains a trunking system which the police department and fire department have talk groups on.

The police department and fire department everyday communications will remain on non-trunked frequencies.
 

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NYPD police radios may go dark by late 2023 or 2024 — potentially cutting off the public, volunteer emergency groups and the media from day-to-day radio communications.
This article means nothing. Doesn't mean the E is going to happen. 2024 still a ways off ! But we will have to wait and see
 

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This article means nothing. Doesn't mean the E is going to happen. 2024 still a ways off ! But we will have to wait and see
Is that for fire dept and ems are is it police just doing it I heard nyc does.mutal aid with alot County fire dept
 

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Contrary to popular belief, "Mutual Aid" to, or from, the FDNY is rare, if ever.

The last time I remember anything close to mutual aid from NYC was, I believe, before the WTC. Yonkers (a paid FD) had a fire in an H-type multiple dwelling one or two blocks north of the Bronx/Yonkers line. Yonkers transmitted a 3rd Alarm, which resulted in a serious water problem at the scene. Yonkers requested that the FDNY have companies respond and hook up to a hydrant or hydrants just south of the city line, and supply Yonkers with water using LDH, which they did. At some point, and, most likely, as an afterthought, the FDNY companies operated in the fire building, perhaps in a "relief" capacity.

While out-of-town FDs initially responded to the WTC, the FDNY did NOT request them. One story was that the Newark, NJ, FD showed up and reported to the FDNY chief in command. The NY chief asked Newark who called them to the scene. It was reported that the Port Authority, a bi-state, NY/NJ government agency, who owned the WTC, established some type of 'mutual aid' with NJ at that point and requested those companies to respond. Since the FDNY did not request them (and didn't want them) the FDNY chief told the Newark companies (who didn't want to be there) to "take up" and return to NJ.

Many Volunteer FDs responded to various NYC firehouses, but, again, they weren't requested by the FDNY. Some FDs were 'staged' at the Javits Convention Center, but were never mobilized.

Obviously, with 197 Engine companies and 143 Ladder companies citywide, there's really no need to seek mutual aid FROM Long Island, which is predominantly volunteer FDs.
 
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